Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and UAE back Israeli attack on Gaza

re: Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and UAE back Israeli attack on Gaza

Right now Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza are living under military law. They have no rights of any kind. It would be better if they fight Israeli system with in Israel as citizens than to fight them as colonialism subjects of Israel. Israel has 1.3 million Arab citizens & they do face discrimination, but nothing like what the Palestinians are going through.

re: Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and UAE back Israeli attack on Gaza

There really are 3 options & Israel has opt for one. 1) keep the status quo, 2) two states solution 3) join them if you cant beat them.

re: Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and UAE back Israeli attack on Gaza

  1. Status Quo is not a static thing. It entails continuous building of settlements and displacing palestinians .i.e tightening the nooze by each passing day.

  2. Two state solution isn't really viable due to the above

  3. I didn't understand....

*PS: 1 is likely to continue for foreseeable future - as it has been since decades.
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re: Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and UAE back Israeli attack on Gaza

With entire Western bloc on its back and entire Muslim bloc numbed, Israel will continue to perform a slow genocide of the Palestinians and usurpation of their land. One would rarely find such blanket immunity in modern times.

re: Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and UAE back Israeli attack on Gaza

Well, I think it is time that we give props to Israel for not doing a genocide of palestinians as barring attacks on the west, what would the so-called muslims, abu bakr al baghdadi, TTP, ISIS etc etc do anyway?

re: Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and UAE back Israeli attack on Gaza

Israel doesn't want 3, 2 is debatable but 1 seems likely to continue.

re: Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and UAE back Israeli attack on Gaza

Do you think they represent Islam or Muslims?

re: Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and UAE back Israeli attack on Gaza

They somehow get support in the muslim world. Not to beat down on imran, though he has been a disappointment, he called taliban / TTP maa'soom qabaili all fault with american / NATO for forcing them to bomb pakistanis. I don't want to get into nit picky debate that he isn't saying pro-taliban messages now (good for him FINALLY) but it is out there for everyone to look up.

And before anyone brings in nawaz, i thought tsunami was supposed to be better than him? Isn't this the same argument that israel should be better as if you compare to ISIS / AQ etc , Israel is very "gentle".

As far as islamness, I guess no one represents islam / muslims considering the palestine issue is still lingering and after the defeat in 67 and 73, no arab govt or muslim give a flying f*CK what happens there. They are NEITHER pushing for a two-state solution NOR are they willing to absorb palestinians, even refugees that remain refugees, with all the empty land and tons of money in the gulf. I think they know that israel would never ever accept all palestinians to return to israel, so let the palestinian jokers simmer while we gamble and smooch some russian hookers.

re: Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and UAE back Israeli attack on Gaza

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Last week a convoy carrying medical supplies to Gaza from Egypt was turned back by Egyptian soldiers over 100km from the border. The convoy’s organisers knew they risked being stopped – but that was part of the point. “It was expected,” said Salma Said on her return home. “They do not want Egyptians to show support for Palestinians. They want to make sure that this siege and this isolation continues.”

During this latest Gazan war, the conflict has been predominantly portrayed as one between Israel and Hamas. But a third party has exacerbated the tensions in Israel’s favour: Egypt. A traditional broker of Israeli-Palestinian relations, Egypt is usually assumed to act with Gaza’s best interests at heart – and has done its best to maintain that perception in recent weeks. It has condemned Gazan deaths, called for a ceasefire, and allowed a few critically injured Gazans to be treated in Egyptian hospitals. Since Said’s blocked convoy, Egyptian officials have also finally allowed other medics and medical supplies to cross the border.

But other Egyptian actions – both over the past year, and in recent days – have led to accusations that Egypt is indifferent to Gazan suffering – and that its interests are aligned with Israel’s. Since last July Egypt has bolstered Israel’s blockade on Gaza by destroying over 1,600 tunnels that smugglers once used to bring crucial goods (and weapons) into the territory. The end of the tunnel trade, which Egypt had tolerated for years, crippled Gaza economically, since the simultaneous closure of Egypt’s formal border at Rafah meant Gazans had no other way of importing many supplies.

Hamas’s decision to carry on fighting in recent weeks despite catastrophic civilian losses owed as much to Egypt’s refusal to lift this blockade as it does to Israel’s. Egypt wanted Hamas to accept an immediate ceasefire without preconditions. But Hamas wanted Egypt to spell out how it might ease the siege before it did so.

Egypt’s leaders are loth to help Hamas because the group is an offshoot and ally of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood – whose scion, Mohamed Morsi, was ousted from office last July. To shore up its power, Egypt’s new regime, headed by the former army chief Abdel Fatah al-Sisi, has since waged a brutal crackdown on the Brotherhood inside Egypt. The squeeze on Hamas is part of the attempt to starve the Brotherhood of any remaining support.

To this end, Egypt has banned Hamas from operating inside Egypt, accused the group of aiding Egyptian terrorists, accused it of espionage, and tried many of its members in absentia. As Egypt’s counter-revolution gathered steam, Hamas was even blamed for a jailbreak during the 2011 Egyptian uprising.

Egypt’s pliant media have provided rhetorical backing to the government’s war on the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas – and parts are doing something similar with Gaza. The country’s media are usually sympathetic to Gazans, but this time several columnists and presenters have appeared far more hostile. Some journalists have even denied any distinction between Gaza and Hamas. As Israel began its ground invasion earlier this month, Adel Naaman, a columnist for al-Watan, a private Egyptian newspaper, wrote: “I’m sorry people of Gaza: I’m not going to sympathise with you until you get rid of Hamas’s gang.”

The public’s attitudes are harder to gauge. Returning from the blocked aid convoy to Gaza, Salma Said said her colleagues’ work had revealed huge sympathy for Gazans among ordinary Egyptians. “The television makes it seem like no one in Egypt wants to help Gaza – but we are trying to show that’s wrong,” said Said. “We’ve received aid from Egyptians everywhere, north, south, east and west.”

Three weeks into the conflict, there are signs that Egypt’s official stance may be softening too – but for political reasons rather than wholly humanitarian ones. Rival countries – Qatar and Turkey – are also angling to broker a ceasefire, and the fear that Egypt may lose its traditional mediation role may finally spark its leaders into easing their stance.

Re: Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and UAE back Israeli attack on Gaza

Here is up date…they are all backing Israel actions against Palestinians. There is news that Egypt is blocking international aid from reaching Gaza including medical supplies.

Arab states support Israel against Hamas: NYT - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

Re: Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and UAE back Israeli attack on Gaza

sort of weird, they would suppress political Islam in Gaza but would encourage it in Pakistan/Afghanistan.

Re: Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and UAE back Israeli attack on Gaza

Saudi Official: Hamas Responsible for Deaths in Gaza | Jewish & Israel News Algemeiner.com

The former head of Saudi intelligence services Turki al Faisal said that Hamas was responsible for “the crimes Israel has committed in the Gaza Strip,” according to a report by Israeli news website NRG.

In an interview quoted Sunday from Asharq Al-Awsat, a pan-Arab newspaper based in London, Faisal said that “Hamas is responsible for the slaughter in the Gaza Strip following its bad decisions in the past, and the haughtiness it shows by firing useless rockets at Israel, which contribute nothing to the Palestinian interest. The Hamas rockets pose no threat to the Israeli occupation, even when they reach Tel Aviv.”

Faisal further blamed Qatar and Turkey for their mediation efforts, saying that instead of preventing Israel from destroying Gaza, these two countries were destroying Egypt’s leadership role in the Arab world. He also attacked the US and Europe for giving Israel the diplomatic credit to continue its campaign.

Earlier over the weekend, an influential Saudi wrote an op ed published by Al Arabiya headlined “Peace with Israel is the solution.”

The author, Mohammed al Sheikh, comes from a family which traces its roots back to the Wahabbi founders of the kingdom. Members of the family were imams, muftis and ministers in the Saudi government.

In his article, cited by Israeli news site Ynet, Sheikh said only peace will gain the Palestinians a state, since at war Israel has total advantage.

Sheikh further mocks Iran’s threats since 1979 to erase “the little devil” and “the Shi’ite of Lebanon” Hassan Nasrallah, who sent his Hezbollah troops to fight the Syrian people instead of Israel. The Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas “sacrificed the Palestinians in false hopes of liberation.”

Several weeks ago, a Saudi intellectual, Abdallah Hamid a Din, wrote in Al Hayat that Israel cannot be forcefully defeated. In his words, the Palestinians have been missing opportunities since 1947, and all the while Israel grows stronger while the Palestinians weaken and their territory shrinks. Hamid said many of the Palestinians’ demands were unrealistic, like the right of return for refugees, which he compared to an Indian demand to return native Americans to cities in the US.

According to Dr. Yaron Friedman, the author of the Ynet article, Saudi Arabia feels threatened by the rise of Iran and the Shi’ite axis, and the calls from within it for peace with Israel come on the heels of Israel’s other peace agreements with Jordan and Egypt and its normalization with Morocco and Mauritania, all moderate Sunni states.