Assalam Aleekum
I have read news that changes are being made to Education system of
NWFP and Baluchistan. They trying to make it more “ISLAMIC”.
On the other the Govt. has suggested making changes to Maderessas
curriculum. Some of the Maderessas are OK with it and some of them
are not.
Also changes have been suggested for education system in general.
Please, post your views and relevant articles about this topic.
well i dont know about islamization of general education. I think it was islamic enough i.e. u had a class in religious studies, good nuff i think although the focus of that should be changed from just history and learning surahs to modern day application of religious values etc etc.
now as far as madrissas go, I think their curriculum need to be modified, monitored and expanded. The 2 types of madrissas that come to mind are, one where a kid who goes to a regular school also goes to to learn how to recite quran etc, aside from how some of them are managed, i dont see major issues there.
Now the other type whicha re the only education source for the students, there are the good ones, which vastly outnumber the bad ones, but are still not really serving the needs of these kids to help them become productive members of society and better reach their potential even with their economic status.
This is what is needed..not all of it but what comes to my mind
1) minimum educational level requirements for teachers at madrissas
2) certification tests for teachers that cover religious as well as basic social sciences, physical scienses, etc
3) annual exams, and standardized exams to gauge students and how well the madrissas are teaching.
4) adds voc-tech subjects with madrissas so kids can learn in demand skills as well.
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well i dont know about islamization of general education. I think it was islamic enough i.e. u had a class in religious studies, good nuff i think although the focus of that should be changed from just history and learning surahs to modern day application of religious values etc etc.
now as far as madrissas go, I think their curriculum need to be modified, monitored and expanded. The 2 types of madrissas that come to mind are, one where a kid who goes to a regular school also goes to to learn how to recite quran etc, aside from how some of them are managed, i dont see major issues there.
Now the other type whicha re the only education source for the students, there are the good ones, which vastly outnumber the bad ones, but are still not really serving the needs of these kids to help them become productive members of society and better reach their potential even with their economic status.
This is what is needed..not all of it but what comes to my mind
1) minimum educational level requirements for teachers at madrissas
2) certification tests for teachers that cover religious as well as basic social sciences, physical scienses, etc
3) annual exams, and standardized exams to gauge students and how well the madrissas are teaching.
4) adds voc-tech subjects with madrissas so kids can learn in demand skills as well.
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thanks for your reply. do you have related articles from DAWN etc.
take care
No related articles, just giving my perspective. although there was discussion before and there were links to new policies and discussion about what is lacking.
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*Originally posted by Fraudz: *
well i dont know about islamization of general education. I think it was islamic enough i.e. u had a class in religious studies, good nuff i think although the focus of that should be changed from just history and learning surahs to modern day application of religious values etc etc.
now as far as madrissas go, I think their curriculum need to be modified, monitored and expanded. The 2 types of madrissas that come to mind are, one where a kid who goes to a regular school also goes to to learn how to recite quran etc, aside from how some of them are managed, i dont see major issues there.
Now the other type whicha re the only education source for the students, there are the good ones, which vastly outnumber the bad ones, but are still not really serving the needs of these kids to help them become productive members of society and better reach their potential even with their economic status.
This is what is needed..not all of it but what comes to my mind
1) minimum educational level requirements for teachers at madrissas
2) certification tests for teachers that cover religious as well as basic social sciences, physical scienses, etc
3) annual exams, and standardized exams to gauge students and how well the madrissas are teaching.
4) adds voc-tech subjects with madrissas so kids can learn in demand skills as well.
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Your ideas are nice fraudia, but there is one major problem with madrassahs because of which your suggestions to improve them might not be implemented.
Originally, madrassahs have sprouted without Government support, mainly for children belonging to families who cannot afford school. Hence, the present curriculum, like you mentioned does not offer anything apart from what the founders of the madrassahs want i.e. Islamic education in the form of learning and reciting the Quran. Now if all of a sudden the Government starts regulating these madrassahs; something which was a product of their own neglection when it came to education, it wont really make sense, and the transition wouldnt take place.
Good article by Cowasjee
http://www.dawn.com/weekly/cowas/cowas.htm
The Annual Review for 2002-3 on the State of Education recently released by the Social Policy and Development Centre of Karachi (dealt with in detail by our former finance wizard Sartaj Aziz on the opposite page of this newspaper on January 6) puts it rather well and it makes most depressing reading [www.spdc-pak.com].
Even the Pakistan movement is diluted and selective, omitting far more than it includes. The struggle for independence spanning a half-century consists of : the founding of the Muslim League, the founding of the college at Aligarh, the Khilafat movement, the Nehru report, Jinnah’s Fourteen Points, the Government of India Act (said to be the ‘new constitution’), the 1937 elections, the 1940 Resolution, the 1946 elections, the Cabinet Mission plan, and the establishment of Pakistan. Apart from the Fourteen Points, everything else is dealt with in a cursory manner.
Then there are nine pages covering post-1947 Pakistan right up to the 2002 elections. The constitution-making process is listed, as are the military takeovers and dismissals of the assemblies.
Our so-called educated children of the masses are purposefully kept ignorant of over a thousand years of history of their own region. They have no idea of any political, social or economic interplay at any point of time, nor do they have any clue as to why a constitution was made, why there were elections and why there have been regular military takeovers. They are kept ignorant of the reasons for the loss of half the country - they merely know it happened.
To deprive people of any knowledge of, or truth about, the history, of their country and that of the world at large, is to hamstring them for life. And with the stress put on an exaggerated violence-prone religiosity, the warping of their minds is guaranteed.
Things on the education front have to change. We are now on a fast-forward mode, with events on the move, and seemingly in the right direction. But without the true education of the masses, neither President General Pervez Musharraf nor any likeminded successor will be able to make the country progress on all necessary fronts.
The Nayyar Report (The Subtle Subversion) makes recommendations for the structural reform of the education system [www.sdpi.org]. A national education board should be established, made up of leading academics, public and private qualified educationists, who are given a mandate to :
“Encourage, fund, coordinate and publish research on the state of education in Pakistan; assess and make annual proposals for improving public education; hold public hearings, investigate complaints and publish recommendations about the provision of education; and submit an annual National Education Report to Parliament.”
This board would take over from the abolished textbook boards and oversee the replacement of all textbooks with the best available books in the market, free from untruths, half-truths and wilful omissions and inaccurate additions. It would commission and approve brand new textbooks. It would do away with the misuse of education as a means to brainwash and indoctrinate the children of Pakistan for politically expedient ends. It would heal the deep social rifts and problems and the violent bigoted mindset promoted by the present system. It would make sure that the education of the children of Pakistan is brought in line with the declared intent of this present leader and ruler, Pervez Musharraf, to bring Pakistan in line with the world, to transform it into a truly progressive and tolerant country, and to slowly usher in democracy and democratic values and concepts.
Fundamental reforms must start right away. The Ministry of Education, the Curriculum Wing and the Textbook Boards all have to be disbanded and reconstituted. The national curriculum and all textbooks in existence, together with their lies and malformations, should be consigned to the trash can - their rightful place. This is beyond the competence of those in office now responsible for the education of the masses of this nation, both at the centre and in the provinces. We can no longer afford job-hunting power-pursuers.
Thanks for the info. One thing still remains unanswered. Are there any
changes to education being made in Bal and NWFP.
spock
just becasuse it is fi sabeel Allah does not mean it can not be regulated, just like charities. I see what you are saying, but I dont see another option, aside from the govt offering viable alternatives..the absence of which lead to the growth of nmadrassas to begin with. These viable alternatives could be a combo of reg schools, madrissas and voc-tech institutes to appeal to ppl who want their kids to get some religious education..except this time it will have some standard curriculum, and will have regular school curriculum to give teh kids broader horizons, and some skills so they can join the workforce early in an apperenticeship type arrangement early on and help family finances earlier on.
Rehman1
as far as Sarhad and baluchistan education goes, what is your exact question?