Re: jews
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*Originally posted by DarkLiquor85: *
Not that I have anything against jewish people... infact, I have alot of respect for people who actually follow the judaism religion in detail... but I too tire of the west's pro-jewish ideologies, which obviously stem from the guilt they feel for various assaults on jewish people in europe over the past 1 and a half millenia or so. When will the day come that the west will back down and simply allow middle-eastern politics to proceed untampered, for, as we all know, friends, if Israel was in exigency of western military and financial support, it would fall horribly. The fact of the matter is, had the west not constantly intervened or provided the isreali government with the weapons by which it might slaughter children in order to weaken an entire generation of palestinians, then the arab nations would have possibly united to conquer israel and protect the palestinians.
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And, on this note... I ask, if the US is allowed to step in when its people are in harms way outside of its borders, then why must the arabs, or muslims in general, stand asside when the children of their own are butchered by israeli owned, west-built tanks and assault rifles?
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*Originally posted by Abdullah k: *
Good one..we need few more of these to avenge the deaths of all the Palestinean being butchered on daily basis..more power to Hamas, and Islamic Jihad..
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Why do 'we' need this Abdullah? My take on it is that 'we' as in Pakistan have our own problems to take care of. Let Israel and Palestine duke it out and if the Palestinians need help there's plenty of neighbours close by who are in a much better position than us to do something.
Originally posted by underthedome: *
**Fraudia, Israel has already rejected that idea, Hamas and its supporters believe that Israel has no right to exist, they are not ever going to get the right to vote. *
sorry but if they all put down their arms and said its over, Israel is not going to give them equal rights as citizens. so its kind of a limbo situation innit. we will not consider you citizens and give you equal rights because it will alter the idea we have for this country.
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they will not allow a viable palestinian state to be formed, but force their own idea of a border.
as I noted somewhere else, innocent palestinians and israeilis are being denied a peaceful life by the extrmists on both sides, Hamas/ al qasa one palestinian side, sharon and his cohorts on the isareli side.
Arafat walked away from the peace table after not liking the one deal rather that working something out, after all, "war is easier than peace" as he said.
I am no fan of arafat either.
if u want a porterhouse, and I offer u a ny strip steak, now that is something to bargain. if I offer you a taco, then why even bother.
either way, Arafat may not be a straight shooter, and teh right solution for peace, and niether is Sharon. Not that netenyahu was some man of peace.
The man who was the biggest hope for peace ..Rabin, was killed by extremists from his own people.
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*Originally posted by Madhanee: *
Xtreme, are you saying that we should worry more about Shias being blown up in Pakistan than Palestinian (I was gonna say Pakestinian) suicide bombers? I agree with you.
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That's exactly what I'm saying. Anybody blowing anything up in Pakistan needs to be eliminated. Or handed a large pack of party balloons and told to blow those up instead. To celebrate Basant and a Paki victory over India tomorrow maybe.
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*Originally posted by Mr Xtreme: *
Why do 'we' need this Abdullah? My take on it is that 'we' as in Pakistan have our own problems to take care of. Let Israel and Palestine duke it out and if the Palestinians need help there's plenty of neighbours close by who are in a much better position than us to do something.
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I don't consider myself a Pakistani, and neither do I have any allegiances towards that country, so you don't need to tell me about the problems of Pakistan, or harp about benevolent ideas, since I am not really bothered.
I have made this statement as a Muslim. Israel only understands the language of force, and unless that country is rattled to its core, the Zionists have no reason to stop the genocide of Palestinians. It's a war, and it's ugly; but one thing no one should forget is that the Zionists are the aggressors in this conflict, and not the victims. The Palestinians are only defending themselves with whatever means possible..
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*Originally posted by Fraudz: *
I am no fan of arafat either.
if u want a porterhouse, and I offer u a ny strip steak, now that is something to bargain. if I offer you a taco, then why even bother.
either way, Arafat may not be a straight shooter, and teh right solution for peace, and niether is Sharon. Not that netenyahu was some man of peace.
The man who was the biggest hope for peace ..Rabin, was killed by extremists from his own people.
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I think the offer was better than a taco (no offense to our Mexican Gups). But your right, some better cooks are needed and until then the restaurant burns and finding good help can be a tough task, the critics are relentless no matter what you serve up.
both sides need better leadership to make this happen. I am fairly certain had rabin not been assassinated things would have been fairly different.
I agree Frau0ida, but what we see is that there are movements for peace within Israeli groups but not within Pal groups.
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*Originally posted by underthedome: *
I agree Frau0ida, but what we see is that there are movements for peace within Israeli groups but not within Pal groups.
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After fifty years of trying to negotiate peace with a ruthless occupation, I believe anyone's patience would run to an end...Now the Palestinians talk in a language the Zionists understand...Violence.
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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *
After fifty years of trying to negotiate peace with a ruthless occupation, I believe anyone's patience would run to an end...Now the Palestinians talk in a language the Zionists understand...Violence.
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What revisionist history have you been reading? The Palestinians have been using violence for the past 50 years. That's why they are occupied - because there is no authority in Palestine to stop them. You talk as though Palestinians are new to using violence.
As Seminole has stated violence has been a way of life for the Palestinians since day 1. Israel has been under a state of emergency since 1948, the violence will gain the Palestinians nothing but blood, heartache, and poverty. You say it's the only language that Israel understands, it's the only language that they have ever heard from the Palestinians. And as these walls go up Israel is preparing not to listen to it anymore.
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*Originally posted by underthedome: *
I agree Frau0ida, but what we see is that there are movements for peace within Israeli groups but not within Pal groups.
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there are movements of peace there too, remember the two groups that were trying to find a solution, this was in the news just weeks ago.
I don’t like the wall either for a number of reasons but without the Palestinians cracking down on terror then it will go up and grow out. The Palestinian leadership finds itself against a wall and a rock, don't crackdown and your legitimacy with Israel ceases; crack down and you will be seen by many Palestinians as caving into Israel by arresting and uprooting the 'freedom fighters’. Step one has to be the acceptance of Israel as a state by the majority of the Palestinians, it's simply one step that cannot be skip and it is premature to discuss anything before this happens.
Israel is doomed to begin with!. And when the last shot of this war will be fired, there won’t be a Zionist entity on the Arab land. You can build all the concentration camps to imprison the Palestinians, grab land, violate every single human right there is, till your heart content, but, whatever is built on the foundations of injustice will cease to exist.
You don’t need to mark my words, just scour through your history, and see how the Israelites had been punished for their crimes of waywardness, and mischief. The rule of the world shall never revolve around the way the Jews have been trying to manipulate to conceal their crimes. It never has, and it never will be. These phony gestures of peace are nothing but a veil to press on with the occupation; to snatch more land; and to brutalize and terrorize the helpless populace.
Whatever means, you apply to safeguard against the imminent kismet will never succeed unless the Zionists reject the path of treachery. It hasn’t happen, and I don’t think that it ever will..so press on, and so shall we.. :soldier:
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*Originally posted by Abdullah k: *
You don't need to mark my words, just scour through your history, and see how the Israelites had been punished for their crimes of waywardness, and mischief.
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Could an equally racist non-Muslim not make the same claims regarding Muslims?
Madhanee Dear .......
Your posts are extremely enjoyable in General!!!! But here they are repulsive, ridiculous and idiotic, with a vengeful tone that lacks structure.
You dont speak from the heart rather from the arse!!!
learn something from UTD, Stu, Ohioguy ,man!!!!
With love
from Peshawar
PKC
Save it for another Day Abdullah, preferably a day when you happen to be on a movie set. Go hangout with the crowd that says all Muslims are terrorist, it appears you have more in common with them than you may know.
Don't 'ya just want to slap them all in the head? Are we not tired of all of this? Like a gang war with no beginning, no middle and no end.
Frankly how this all started is of no use anymore. the only thing that is important is how it will end. When people start revisting each offense of each party, then we know the conversation is going nowhere.
Frankly I support the wall. Put it exactly along the greenline, and demolish all the settlements. End of discussion. Treat it like any other national border.