Don’t know if any one of you have noticed… few days back I was watching BBC24, and there was a report about arms seized in Northern Ireland, and there were guns, explosives etc… The point is, all the media was saying that “Voilance” is not any solution for Northern Ireland’s problem… It just ccured to me that if the same is happening in any third world country; then it is terrorism, if any “civilized” sosciety like west is doing the same then it is “Voilance”…
what you people think about it, how we define difference between “terrorism” and “Violance” ..
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*Originally posted by Madhanee: *
Yeah keep thinking about it. Violence results out of terrorism, just like Baryani is made with rice, meat, and other bhang-bhosRa. So you see, Ireland has a Baryani problem, while the developing countries have food issues. Concentrate on feeding people first before worrying about what is terrorism.
Whether the papers call it violence or terrorism, how does that affect anything? Does it make certain parts of your body grow bigger or shrink as a result of it?
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I think you are over looking the main issue here, according to these people, voilance can be treated with mutual dialouge.. but for terrorism they have only one solution, beat the s**t out of them, further more only people from a particular ethinic group are reffered to be terrorists, if they are doing the same in Kashmir then they are terrorist, but if any other group is violant in Ireland or somewhere else in west, then they can be brought to the table...
Bingo...give Ullubater a cigar.Let's see..INdia, Great Israel, Philippines, INdonesia, China, africa, America,...etc..etc.. they are all victims of terrorism. Good point tho..
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*Originally posted by Ilúvatar: *
further more only people from a particular ethinic group are reffered to be terrorists,
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Some Muslims call Jewish Israelis terrorists and Hamas suicide bombers 'freedom fighters’, what's with that Ilúvatar?
Its just like calling the muslim fighters in kashmir the freedomfighters during khabarnama in pakistan. They just happen to reach all across the world,, while our PTV is just limited to the Pakistanis. Same thing. Everyone does it. No one likes to put their own people down.
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*Originally posted by Matsui: *
Bingo...give Ullubater a cigar.Let's see..INdia, Great Israel, Philippines, INdonesia, China, africa, America,...etc..etc.. they are all victims of terrorism. Good point tho..
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you too are missing the point Matsui, I agree there is Violance involved in these parts of world, but no one just turn into a terrorist just in one night, its not easy for anyone to just himself in a suicidal attack, ever wondred the reason behind that decision?.. a person commets suicide when there is no solution for his/her problems.. if people from IRA can be given opprtunity to come to a table and talk reasonably, why not these peole... why not India letting Kashmiri millitant groups to have a conversation, and if they don't trust Indian goverment that it could be done under Un or any other countries upervision, (For sack of humanity)... same goes with "Greater" Israel, the Israeli goverment asking the other parties involved to respect 1963's treaty, but herself ignoring the same treaty which states that she will not establish further resettlements!! what you expect the result to be!!
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*Originally posted by underthedome: *
Some Muslims call Jewish Israelis terrorists and Hamas suicide bombers 'freedom fighters’, what's with that Ilúvatar?
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it all goes back to the same discussion, how we define fredom movements with terrorist activities, according to UN resulotions, Palistines movement is a recognized freedom movement, same as Kurds in Iraq, and Tibbat in China, and of course Kashmir.
Kill them with love Ilúvatar. Drop baked goods off at their doorstep until their smitten by kindness.
I will go even further..marry their daughters and marry off your daughters to them. Watch how fast…bombs stop. Women have that power.. I love them sooooo much. 
Tru, there good peoples.
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*Originally posted by Matsui: *
Bingo...give Ullubater a cigar.Let's see..INdia, Great Israel, Philippines, INdonesia, China, africa, America,...etc..etc.. they are all victims of terrorism. Good point tho..
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aa yes....
india suffers from terrorism.... those hindu terrorists have really caused great human loss in gujrat and ayodia and kashmir etc etc....
israel too.... those jews really r a big terrorist organization trying to wipe off the palestinians from the face of the world....
and indonesia too.... those christian terrorists went to an extent to burn so many muslims alive and also broke the country apart....
china, africa, america..... aaah muslims r suffering everywhere from terrorism....
its about time the muslims raised up weapons and declared a war on this terrorism....
Wow..it si funny that in all those places with such different people everyone else is a terrorist but the muslims…Since I am a numbers guy…I woiuld say the odds are against you. :rotato:
well actually, in india the christians too r being terrorised....
but as a muslim i worry about my own ppl.... :)
Yes we are all worried about your people, correction...your kind of people. From camp X-ray to Mushy's cleaning house at home.. :)
:nono3: don’t talk about briyani in a disrespectful way
Some snakes are born double-headed... :D
In the case of N. Ireland, I think the usage of the word "violence" rather than "terrorism" is intentional and that word is used TODAY in recognition of the considerable progress over the last several years in reconciling the differences between previously warring parties. All parties are working very hard toward political solutions and the level of violence compared with a decade or two ago is very small.
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In the case of N. Ireland, I think the usage of the word "violence" rather than "terrorism" is intentional and that word is used TODAY in recognition of the considerable progress over the last several years in reconciling the differences between previously warring parties. All parties are working very hard toward political solutions and the level of violence compared with a decade or two ago is very small.
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thats true that voilance in North Ireland was on and on from decades, and now they are moving towards political solution... from your reply I take that there were terrorist in the past but as the peace process went on, and now different parties are gathering on a political solution.. then why the same can't be done with the groups we call terrorists NOW..
You mean the silly *******s who say it's a Muslims duty to kill Americans?
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thats true that voilance in North Ireland was on and on from decades, and now they are moving towards political solution... from your reply I take that there were terrorist in the past but as the peace process went on, and now different parties are gathering on a political solution.. then why the same can't be done with the groups we call terrorists NOW..
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I think the same could be done with groups we call terrorists now. BUT, only under the right circumstances. Don't forget that both Sadat and Begin were once believed to be terrorists. Yet, these two former terrorists final legacy was as statesmen and peacemakers because of their efforts to renunciate violence and the peace treaty they signed.
Heck, even Arafat was able to shed (for a brief period of time) the terrorist label when it appeared as if he was truly interested in a peaceful resolution to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. What is required is the total renunciation of violence against civilians as an acceptable form of political struggle, a devotion to negotiated political solutions of festering conflicts, and actual tangible progress in resolving same peacefully.