Hare Krishna ofcourse
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It is a sect, totally accptable to Hinduism.
That’s how HInduism accomodates new thoughts.
Oh yeh well it accomodates all “kanjar” thoughts very well
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As well all those nude unwashed millions old sadhus, dirty to thier core, in spirits as well body
Yeah too bad isn’t it mm10!!
By the way unwashed bodies who don’t interfere with other people’s way of life are better than uncut beards who do
You did not answer the question about why Ambedkar did not accept Islam ? He accepted Buddhism because he liked "Ahimsa" (non-voilence) part of it.
Caste system is a curse in Indian sub-continent. I equate it with Racism. As per some historians Aryans who migrated from Central Asia imposed it on native people, I am not too sure. When Islam came to South Asia many Dalits and lower castes embrased Islam willingly so that they can claim they are descendants of Arabs instead of some untouchanbles !!
Abdali,
How many Pakis know about Amdedkar ? You better mention the sourse of your article so that we can read full article. The last name Ambedkar was given to him by a Brahmin teacher. Teacher took care of the boy very much , he was even feeding the boy everyday and gave his own last name to the boy. Ambedkar's Higher education was sponsored by another Higher caste Hindu Maharaja of Baroda.
taurus, amicable relations between various castes of Hindu community is not the topic of the post.!!
Give the patient what he wants, Caste violence in India!!
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What kind of a religion is Hinduism that has no foot or mouth, and keeps changing according to public opinion ... everything in hinduism is man made ... nothing divine. There is no account of hinduism in history in christianity, judiasm or islam ....
I mean, the way i see hinduism is get all thats good from anywhere and call it part of hinduism ... it doesnt have a revelation base of its own an dit dates way after the original religions of this planet, which all were revealed by Allah.
Thats why in Islam we accept christianity, judiasm but simple say its originally what islam was supposed to be like but got corrupted. The basic teachings in all 3 of these religions are the same ... but we aint here to discuss these 3 religions i just needed some ground to establish my point.
I mean everything in hinduism is a joke ... what kind a faith do u expect from George harris .... man he probably doesnt even know the religion he was born into. What kind of religion is so dynamic and has no restraints ... if thats the case you could lead a life full of niceties without even calling urself a hindu, then where is the significance of being a hindu.
Hinduism has no history of prophets that all other religions account for .... ???????
Everything in hinduism is a big question mark .... absrud if you trace it back into history .....
Its our Wits that make us MEN .... 'Braveheart'
Well, LooksCanKill I wish you all the best in your religion
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By the way, do you have any kind of evidence, like a video or DVD of God creating the Universe?
You sounded so sure
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Anyway even if I want to believe and given the commonalities of Islam, Christianity and Judaism, two of the Groups are destined for hell because they are unbelievers according to the other group. SO don’t you think it is rather smart of Hindus to avoid such risk and stick to idolatory and individual Gods?
So where does it falls in the hierarchy of castes?
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Or is it directly proportional to the color of the skin?
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Originally posted by taurus:
**You did not answer the question about why Ambedkar did not accept Islam ? He accepted Buddhism because he liked "Ahimsa" (non-voilence) part of it.
Caste system is a curse in Indian sub-continent. I equate it with Racism. As per some historians Aryans who migrated from Central Asia imposed it on native people, I am not too sure. When Islam came to South Asia many Dalits and lower castes embrased Islam willingly so that they can claim they are descendants of Arabs instead of some untouchanbles !!
Abdali,
How many Pakis know about Amdedkar ? You better mention the sourse of your article so that we can read full article. The last name Ambedkar was given to him by a Brahmin teacher. Teacher took care of the boy very much , he was even feeding the boy everyday and gave his own last name to the boy. Ambedkar's Higher education was sponsored by another Higher caste Hindu Maharaja of Baroda.**
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Dr. Sahib has done tons of reaserch and there are tones of artciles on the web just do a search. he also mentions genocide of Bhuddist at the hands of hindus. Oh BTW you are the first to admit why hindus converted without sword and conversion in the same sentence. Now after the conversion to a better faith and life I don't see that any of your business what they claim to be weather arabs or martians. DO you have problem with 1.2B converts claiming to be arabs? Because I don't give two hoots about you being a French.... and I don't want to know.
You see thats the beauty of Islam it don't care what you are and where you came from you are the same in the eyes of God. Only superior is with a good character... Watch "Islam, Empire of Faith" it tells you why so many converted...
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Its our Wits that make us MEN … ‘Braveheart’
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Watch it boy there might be sardar jee around.
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Sardar’s are OK.
mm, I think you are refering to http://content.communities.msn.com/sadhuboys/photos1.msnw?Page=1
Yeah I know because I have lots of sardar friends they are very friendly even invited me home to their family dinner.. So you are warned you better watch your mouth when you talk of beards coz sardars have long ones.
Abdali,
Oh BTW you are the first to admit why hindus converted without sword and conversion in the same sentence. <<<<<<<
I am talking about conversion of Dalits to Islam , they had no place in majority Hindu society at that time - so it did not make difference to them.
Now after the conversion to a better faith and life I don't see that any of your business what they claim to be weather arabs or martians. DO you have problem with 1.2B converts claiming to be arabs? Because I don't give two hoots about you being a French.... and I don't want to know. <<<<<<<<<<
Abdali , as I said earlier when people start questioning you back you get impatient and start blabbering. You claim again and again about "We conquering you". I just wanted to remind you about your possible roots. Did I touch a nerve ther . Err.... I have no problem about who you are but when you talk about you and us I have to bust your balloon !!
Iranis dont claim they are Arabs, Bangladeshis or Indonesians or Taziks or whoever they all preserve their rich pre-islamic cultures. But it is only shameless Pakistanis like you who do that - because you have no history or achievement to claim as your own.
You see thats the beauty of Islam it don't care what you are and where you came from you are the same in the eyes of God. Only superior is with a good character... Watch "Islam, Empire of Faith" it tells you why so many converted...<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Can you enter into Saudi Arabia or Turkey without a visa (whom you claim your ancestors) ? Do they accept you as one of their own or equal to them .. NO !!! I give you an example - I am a software project manager with a multinational firm in USA. I had to send a team to Saudi Arabia on a project. I had few Indian and Pakistani muslims in my company so I selected a team with majority of them. When I informed this to our saudi partner - he said "DOnt you have any Indians or Chinese " ? I was surprised. He told me "These idiots they dont work well on top of that they go out for Namaz breaks and waste time endlessly". So much for your brotherhood.
Forget about other countries - Isnt there frequent clashes between Mohajir, Sindhi, Punjabi etc etc eventhough all of them are Muslims ?
Why there is a fighting between Pak & Afghan on Durrand line eventhough they follow same religion ? Is that means Islam is not beautiful or muslims are ugly ?
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**Abdali,
Oh BTW you are the first to admit why hindus converted without sword and conversion in the same sentence. <<<<<<<
I am talking about conversion of Dalits to Islam , they had no place in majority Hindu society at that time - so it did not make difference to them.
Now after the conversion to a better faith and life I don't see that any of your business what they claim to be weather arabs or martians. DO you have problem with 1.2B converts claiming to be arabs? Because I don't give two hoots about you being a French.... and I don't want to know. <<<<<<<<<<
Abdali , as I said earlier when people start questioning you back you get impatient and start blabbering. You claim again and again about "We conquering you". I just wanted to remind you about your possible roots. Did I touch a nerve ther . Err.... I have no problem about who you are but when you talk about you and us I have to bust your balloon !!
Iranis dont claim they are Arabs, Bangladeshis or Indonesians or Taziks or whoever they all preserve their rich pre-islamic cultures. But it is only shameless Pakistanis like you who do that - because you have no history or achievement to claim as your own.
You see thats the beauty of Islam it don't care what you are and where you came from you are the same in the eyes of God. Only superior is with a good character... Watch "Islam, Empire of Faith" it tells you why so many converted...<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Can you enter into Saudi Arabia or Turkey without a visa (whom you claim your ancestors) ? Do they accept you as one of their own or equal to them .. NO !!! I give you an example - I am a software project manager with a multinational firm in USA. I had to send a team to Saudi Arabia on a project. I had few Indian and Pakistani muslims in my company so I selected a team with majority of them. When I informed this to our saudi partner - he said "DOnt you have any Indians or Chinese " ? I was surprised. He told me "These idiots they dont work well on top of that they go out for Namaz breaks and waste time endlessly". So much for your brotherhood.
Forget about other countries - Isnt there frequent clashes between Mohajir, Sindhi, Punjabi etc etc eventhough all of them are Muslims ?
Why there is a fighting between Pak & Afghan on Durrand line eventhough they follow same religion ? Is that means Islam is not beautiful or muslims are ugly ?**
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Please pardon my French but you are the biggest "MORON" among your cronies.
Produce one article where I claimed I was an arab. For you birdbrains if one is not a Hindu convert s/he is an Arab. Get out of this inferiority complex... Ask any Pakistani no matter what’s his ethnic background s/he is proud of being a Muslim and Pakistani. And trust me Pakistan is a diverse society with a gene pool that span several Islamic states. But that’s not the point here because Islam don’t care.. Read carefully and think if you can, and try to comprehend.
When I said in Islam all are equal I said Islam not Saudia. Do you know those Saudis go to western countries to do their dirty business. And please do not cite examples I can provide quite few where Indians who line up to go to those countries are treated like low lifes. Just to let you know I use to live in Kuwait for last 10 years..
I usually see an out burst from Indians when their history and Islamic dunda is reminded. Instead of accepting Islam ruled them for centuries they immediately go in the defensive mode.. oh look you paki coward convert.. oh look you converted. Blah blah and start playing the ethnic and religious card when it serves them right.
The subject at hand is not Saudia or Pak or France but conversion from Hindu to other faiths including Islam. According to hindus 1.2B muslims converted at gun point weather it’s a bad bad Paki,Indian or a martian it seems like you hindus have no defence but beat around the bush. The reason of conversion was simple it was your caste system and the brotherhood of Isalm which attracted millions. There are million converts in US according to hindu morons they must have converts at the point of colt45.
P.S. If it serves your ego you can call me a hindu convert and ask me if I give two hoots about it. I am a muslim and thats the bottom line.
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Dear Sheikh Abdali (since you possiblly an Arab also and you have no problem with anybody calling you an Arab),
Good that you are coming back to earth from sky. You were jumping too much about Qaim and Gazni Mohammad and other rulers as if they are your grandparents. Look .. Nationality and religion is different. That's what I wanted to say.
You speak about you guys " a diverse society with a gene pool that span several Islamic states " . Nobody talk about their Hindu or Buddhist roots. No Paki text books mention about that . Why ?? We agreed that not all Pakis were converted by sword. Then where these natives go ?
Since you lived in an Arab country for 10 years I am very sure you understand "Islamic Brotherhood" between your countrymen and Arabs.
Man .. You dont give two hoots whether I am a French or give two hoots if I ask you who you are . What a nice way of debating !! Still about myself - I am a Indian with pure Indian Gene pool.
Seems like when nailed you guys beat the same old drum… get to the topic at hand and don’t bother with my/yours ethnic back ground, I am a muslim and thats the bottom line. When Islam was at its peak not only people from different ethnic back ground but also Christains, jews and muslims lived side by side. Try the following link its a speach given by HPs CEO. ** Just to let you know it makes me proud Islam ruled India for centuries. ** And this is exactly where hindus go to lala land and start BSing arab and sword and blah blah.
Here try this and go right to the bottom, sorry it will burst your bubble.
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/speeches/fiorina/minnesota01.htm
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Dont get too nervous. We are just discussing about conversions . You are not even ready to argue with me. Post some junk BS and turn your back and run
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I will put a simple question as you talked about “Gene pool of different islamic countries making up pakistanis”. Did you forget to mention that this Genepool also include Hindu/Buddhist natives ?
Read your BS very carefully… About 3000 odd posts this is exactly what I’ve posted, verbatim:-
** “Islam ruled your a$$” **
Not arabs
Not Turks
Not Mongals
Not French
Not Martians
BUT ISLAM do you get it boy what I am saying…
And who brings in arabs, turks, persians? of course hindus… See your BS… or is ur skull too thick to get it.
First try to comprehend what is being said here and then try to make aa point.
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