Some of the questions are answered here and there.
*1) What was the tech/knowledge leaked? There are speculations but no concrete proof. *
It was written in jang that centrifuge machines, and some other metarlial was transported to iran and libya. For details i m sure someone here can provde us with those articles.
2) When was it leaked (it's said in the 10 year period but that's vague)
1988-89 was the area when iran was provided with the help, not sure what i read about korea and Libya.
3) How much did these countries paid for it? And did they do business with anyone else? Especially, some of the European countries that were named in earlier reports?
Thats the tricky part, and yes i think this information is kept secret because Musharraf didnt want to trial AQ for corruption right now and there were reports that he made some money through these deals but publick mood would have been a hell lot more agitiated had these charges were formally held.
4) What will happen to all that money? Will they freeze the assets of AQ Khan & others?
Swiss accounts are frozen alright, and it was reported even in this thread.
5) How can the Pakistani Govt. assure the international community that it won’t happen again and will they buy it?
Yeah right.........National hero ko TV per zaleel karna is it
the "handling the situation in best way".
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What 'zaleel' are you talking about here? Would you have preferred a public trial?. Infact i m sure ke his value for paksitani nation hasnt gotten down a bit. I salute him for being this courageous and admitting it in front of the world. Who else had the guts to do it? Its your perception that ke he is zaleel-ed. That was the safest way out for him.
Political benefits can still be gained with this situation but for AQ as a person it was the best way out in face of damning evidence.
yeah right. U turn on every possible foreign policy.
what ever happened to all the strategic depths. first in
our neighbouring countries and than KASHMIR.
before the World community TELLS you
for inspections. Give them assurity that what ever
happened was in the past. And its not going to
happen again. And provide record(S) of what ever was sold.and try to recover it.And let them investigate.
But that doesn't mean roll back.
That All countries should do it. Again,
It depends on the "biggest DANDA".
I again want to write that It doesn't mean
ROLL BACK.
I wouldn't be surprised If "Busharraf" has already
allowed some sort of inspections.
And I also wanna ask where are the so called Nationalists,
read seculars right now..
IS Ghareeb "AQ" ko zaleel kardia. Why. B/c he left a
lucrative job in Holland. And came to Pak.
Well, Mush will allow inspections or securites and than
SAY I saved PAK.haaaaaaaaaa.
I think he should go to India and live there. Agra or Delhi
where ever he was born. Or how about Kamal Turkey.
he is very fond of him. what can be expected of seculars or
nationalists.
Jaab Kashmir dedyaaa, India se peace karlia. Hazaroo lakhoo
"PAKIS" ke Khoon ka soodaaa kardiaaa. Tu why not
allow for inspections with no srtings attached.
I salute all the so called seculars for their Intellect.
What 'zaleel' are you talking about here? Would you have preferred a public trial?. Infact i m sure ke his value for paksitani nation hasnt gotten down a bit. I salute him for being this courageous and admitting it in front of the world. Who else had the guts to do it? Its your perception that ke he is zaleel-ed. That was the safest way out for him.
Political benefits can still be gained with this situation but for AQ as a person it was the best way out in face of damning evidence.
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is this how govts(I am not saying nations) treat their heroes.
rehman1 are you suggesting that Musharraf leave the country and let some mullahs take over the reigns? How will that help with the current situation? How do you think the mullahs would have handled this ? Shed some light on it will ya?
1) What was the tech/knowledge leaked? There are speculations but no concrete proof.
Designs for Uranium enriching Centrifuges, both the G-1 and the more advanced G-2 variety. Word is that the Libyans and the Iranians got the G-1 (old crap ) while the Koreans got the G-2.
In addition Libya got a full blueprint for how to build a nuclear bomb using enriched Uranium plus a list of contacts - where to buy what material, etc.
The tricky part is that all the Libyan stuff is in US control now and that gives them solid proof.
2) When was it leake
Iran - 1989-91 time frame. Libya - as late as last year. NKorea - Mid 1990s to 2002
3) How much did these countries paid for it?
If you find the accounts let me know. Fat chance any $$$ will be recovered.
**5) How can the Pakistani Govt. assure the international community that it won’t happen again and will they buy it? **
We can’t. As long as Musharraf is in power, we are safe. If Osama and Mullah Omar are captured, that is also questionable.
You need to distinguish between those people who are generally calling for Musharraf to go and those people who heard Musharraf's promises and are angry because he has not delivered on anything yet.
is this how govts(I am not saying nations) treat their heroes.
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you missed the point. Use your mind brother. He is our hero no doubt about that and he will always be. But he has (as it seems) indulged in activities that doesnt suit a man of his stature. So Heroes are heroes but it doesnt mean they are allowed to do risking a nations biggest assets.
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*Originally posted by 5Abi: *
rehman1 are you suggesting that Musharraf leave the country and let some mullahs take over the reigns? How will that help with the current situation? How do you think the mullahs would have handled this ? Shed some light on it will ya?
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good point. Majority of them think using their hearts not thier brains.
EDIT-- sometimes decisions made through hearts work out, but mostly they dont.
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*Originally posted by 5Abi: *
rehman1 are you suggesting that Musharraf leave the country and let some mullahs take over the reigns? How will that help with the current situation? How do you think the mullahs would have handled this ? Shed some light on it will ya?
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Interesting.So you just assumed I am a "Mullah".
Is it b/c of the quotation in signature section.
I guess Wanna be angreezo ke sath yahe masla he.
Mullahs cannot handle this situation.
I think he as a leader has failed and should resgin.
or take some steps which shows courage and
reflects TRUTH. Strenght of character.
Mush na hugayee Pepsi Cola ke Exec hugayeee.
The services of AQ to Pak surprasses most of
our leaders so called services.
Well, ppl write against Zia Sahab. Did he hand over
Aga Hasan Abdi. or conducted(engineered) his
interview.
Interesting.So you just assumed I am a "Mullah".
Is it b/c of the quotation in signature section.
I guess Wanna be angreezo ke sath yahe masla he.
Mullahs cannot handle this situation.
I think he as a leader has failed and should resgin.
or take some steps which shows courage and
reflects TRUTH. Strenght of character.
Mush na hugayee Pepsi Cola ke Exec hugayeee.
The services of AQ to Pak surprasses most of
our leaders so called services.
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You havent answered the question. Let me rephrase it.
You are not happy with Musharraf in general or you dont like how he is handling this situation. How would you have handled it if you were in charge. Or how do you think anyone else in place of Mush should/would have handled it? And why?
PS: We all know that AQ is national hero. No one is denying that. His services to the nation cannont be forgotton in a million years. Its not a matter of doubting his services to the country.
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5Abi/Fraudia,
You need to distinguish between those people who are generally calling for Musharraf to go and those people who heard Musharraf's promises and are angry because he has not delivered on anything yet.
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Khilaari..do these people fail to recognize the situation that Pakistan has been in? circumstances change..priorities get shifted.
so he has not delivered on many of the things he said he would do..which btw is not much diff from many leaders, ask ppl about W's promises and how well he has done on those.
Regardless, he may not have delivered on things he said he would. but lets look at the flip side, he has delivered on things that were not on the horizon when he took office. making teh right logical decisions at the right times has safeguarded the citizens.
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*Originally posted by 5Abi: *
rehman1 are you suggesting that Musharraf leave the country and let some mullahs take over the reigns? How will that help with the current situation? How do you think the mullahs would have handled this ? Shed some light on it will ya?
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Why you think other option is only a MULLAH. Why consideri worst case scnerio. I am sure in a nation of 150 million people there will be lots of progressive people who can step up and fill the shoe( No that Musharraf is a big shoe to fill).
Iran and Libya disclosed that Pakistan provided them with help in nuclear program. Dr AQ Khan as the head honcho of Pakistan’s nuclear program was directly implicated. He was investigated. After a bunch of twists and turns (courtesy of unnamed sources in the government, and unnamed friends of Khan etc), he finally turned up on national television and confessed that he had proliferated and that he is sorry. Promptly, thereafter, the Cabinet recommends a pardon and even more promptly he is pardoned by the President. Pakistan announces that there will be no external inquiries permitted from IAEC or anyone and Pakistan will neither open its facilities nor permit any monitoring or security.
US is supporting Musharaf in the cover-up. All is well again. And life goes on.
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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
So in summary:
US is supporting Musharaf in the cover-up. All is well again. And life goes on.
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Till...some other issue comesup and same story is repeated.Initially Everyone abuses Musharraf and then Musharraf solves crisis created by himself.People start praising him for " taking the best action possible under the circusmtances". And Life goes on.
Pakistani do have lots of patience. :)
) while the Koreans got the G-2.