^ Yes, but that does not mean you ban religion, or start killing clerics/mollahs. Focus on the words 'in the religious sense'. Remember Jinnah's 'Direct Action Day', and 'Islam in Danger' calls?
this means, religion should be personal and completely isolated from business of "governing".
It means, he wanted a secular country. Only that, can work.
^ Yes, but that does not mean you ban religion, or start killing clerics/mollahs. Focus on the words 'in the religious sense'. Remember Jinnah's 'Direct Action Day', and 'Islam in Danger' calls?
Islam is beautiful and peaceful religion and no one in their right mind want clerics and mullahs getting killed. Only thing is that we should start killing all retarded Devils who claim to be clerics and Mullahs, and in their guise, misguide Muslims in general and Pakistanis in particular. We should also start punishing followers of these retarded Devils claiming to be Clerics and Mullahs.
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^ We had a debate on this speech by Jinnah here on this forum a while back, I suggest you dig it up and read some of the views, and it will become very clear whether religious idealogy should be maintained or not.
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we need religious leaders, who put COMMON SENSE ahead of RELIGION.
^ We had a debate on this speech by Jinnah here on this forum a while back, I suggest you dig it up and read some of the views, and it will become very clear whether religious idealogy should be maintained or not.
Religious ideologies should be maintained but not 'Devil ideologies' these retarded Taliban and Al-Q are fond of and are spreading in the name of Islam.
Religious ideologies should be maintained but not 'Devil ideologies' these retarded Taliban and Al-Q are fond of and are spreading in the name of Islam.
So you think Taliban and AQ are Muslims and represent Islam? tsk tsk...
we need religious leaders, who put COMMON SENSE ahead of RELIGION.
And care to name some leaders?
we need religious leaders, who put COMMON SENSE ahead of RELIGION.
Common sense may even allow drinking (even if it is within "limits"), would that be okay with religion? I don't think so.
So you think Taliban and AQ are Muslims and represent Islam? tsk tsk...
Obviously not. A Muslim would never do suicide as that is disbelief on Allah. A Muslim would never force religion on others, as that is making others doing shirk, and only Shaitan could do that. Allah does not need human sacrifices but Devil does, and those who preach human sacrifice are Devil worshippers.
For instance, Allah only accepts an act of worship that is done with consent. If 'A' force you to keep beard or pray Salat than you would be forced to do that, but your actions would not be for Allah but because of 'A's fear'. In this situation, you would not be worshipping Allah but 'A', and that means A is Shaitanic force making you worship himself, his force and his fear. AL-Q and Taliban both believe and do the same what I mentioned, as they are followers of Shaitanic cult religion, not Islam. A Muslim never force anyone with religion, but only tell others what is right and wrong while keeping his own mind open to correct himself if he is wrong.
^ If you think they arent Muslims fine, but stop blaming Islam for all these problems, thats all I am saying, no need to come up with theories about how Pakistan was meant to be a secular country.
I dont think going secular will solve any problems either, because the dictator who chose to impose himself over the last 8 years tried the secular path, and things got worse. Being secular doesnt mean all you do is allow naach ganna, mujraz in the army house while drinking scotch. Shiekh Rasheed was doing that pre-1999 too.
So you think Taliban and AQ are Muslims and represent Islam? tsk tsk...
You don't like AQ ??
He is a mod now. You know
He can ban you and stuff.
Its disciple, and not decipal, Mr. Wannabe Angrej.
such fire for a petty crime. certainly the religion of imran doesn't preach that sir!
reveal to us, o great prophet of imrankhana, how it is that makes me an mqm supporter if i don't support the almighty imran the jaaan rambo.
Pakistan Tehreek –e- Insaf spokesperson Syed Abdullah condemned the news item which appeared in 'The News' of Saturday 4th Oct '08 which claimed that a leader of PTI Waziristan garlanded Baitullah Mehsud. Abdullah said that there exists no such member by the name of Tufan Burki registered with PTI. He also viewed the news item with great suspicion and termed it a malicious effort on the part of PTI detractors to bring down the rising popularity of the party and its Chairman Mr Imran khan especially in the turbulent tribal areas.
He reminded that a few days back PTI's own Bajore Agency President became the victim of violence in FATA area and as a result his brother died while his son sustained critical injuries and both his legs had to be amputated to save his life. Thus the idea of someone from PTI presenting a turban to some rogue and anti state element seems outrageous. He added that Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf categorically condemns violence and militancy in all its forms and manifestations and can never support those who are leading these violent campaigns against the state.
Pakistan Tehreek –e- Insaf spokesperson Syed Abdullah condemned the news item which appeared in 'The News' of Saturday 4th Oct '08 which claimed that a leader of PTI Waziristan garlanded Baitullah Mehsud. Abdullah said that there exists no such member by the name of Tufan Burki registered with PTI. He also viewed the news item with great suspicion and termed it a malicious effort on the part of PTI detractors to bring down the rising popularity of the party and its Chairman Mr Imran khan especially in the turbulent tribal areas. He reminded that a few days back PTI's own Bajore Agency President became the victim of violence in FATA area and as a result his brother died while his son sustained critical injuries and both his legs had to be amputated to save his life. Thus the idea of someone from PTI presenting a turban to some rogue and anti state element seems outrageous. He added that Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf categorically condemns violence and militancy in all its forms and manifestations and can never support those who are leading these violent campaigns against the state.
Something to shutup the critics!?
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Jinnah came up with that theory. If you chose to interprete night as day, and black as white, then you can interprete it any way you want.
Its personal choice. Government should stay out of people’s bedrooms.
Jinnah came up with that theory. If you chose to interprete night as day, and black as white, then you can interprete it any way you want.
Jinnah carved Pakistan based on a religious idealogy, do you deny that? Do you know about his calls for 'Islam in trouble', and direct action?
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Its personal choice. Government should stay out of people's bedrooms.
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And neither should they be allowed to burn clerics like you suggest. The answer to religion thumpers is not secular degenerates.
Jinnah carved Pakistan based on a religious idealogy, do you deny that? Do you know about his calls for 'Islam in trouble', and direct action?
Jinnah wanted to get muslims a fair playing field. Nothing more, nothing less.
Jinnah wanted to get muslims a fair playing field. Nothing more, nothing less.
Define a fair playing field. What is it that they wanted to play?
Define a fair playing field. What is it that they wanted to play?
means a place where they can practice their faith.
Consitution however, was supposed to be secular.
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^ Doesnt work that way. Israel and Pakistan were formed on the basis of religious ideologies, hence the constitution would not just follow, but be reflective of religious ideologies. They could have 'practiced their faith' in India too.