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And all these misunderstandings and People who divide Islam based on what they interpret from the Quran is all correct and everyone shud have their own islam?
I don't think so.
Prophet pbuh explained everything. And those that have studied it all know better than an avg joe like you and me.
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We are in no positions to get islam ourselves out of the Quran and hadith.
Muslims aren't Muslims in today's time. Our only saviours are the Ullemas. Only THOSE that are of the Isnad.
Well, may be Quran is not for you, but Allah sent Quran for we Muslims and we don't have any condition (like Jews) to depend upon 'Ulama in order to reach Quran.
This is what has destroyed Ummah. Everyone depends upon 'Ulama, there are 100 opinions and beliefs of Ulama and so there are scores of sects.
In fact Allah has descent Quran for every person, a layman and a scholar both, this has two types of messages (1) Clear Messages or Mahkamaat and (2) Unclear Messages or Mutashabehaat.
Everyone can understand Clear Messages without depending upon 'Ulama.
After you learn Clear Messages then you can find an 'aalim who talks about Quran and not Fitnah.
Our Problem is that we go to an 'aalim to learn Quran, now this is too risky, as if the 'aalim is a Fasaadi or Deviant, he would misguide you, this is only your luck that you would go to a Correct 'aalim.
The question is why to take risks in matters of Faith?
Allah has descent Quran in a very simple language, you would learn that when you OPEN this book. Allah nowhere in Quran commands us to learn Quran from 'Ulama..but you can polish your Faith after you learn the Basics of Quran yourself.
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Who told you that? probably some other “scholar”, right? 
Also, try guessing why you lack the confidence of “get Islam ourselves” using the Quran which Allah swt says that He made it easy for mankind 
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I am not defending the character of jews but the notion that any split amongst the muslims was a "jewish conspiracy" and to call those muslims who dont agree with your point of view as jewish agents is a bit farfetched
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^ I agree that to blame others is wrong, its us who are wrong/gullibles.
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I've quickly skimmed through the thread and haven't read any post in great detail. From what I can observe it appears as though it will turn into another Sunni vs. Shia thread. Therefore, please leave it at that and try to help out the member with the initial query.
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Reading Quran to get information is one thing. To base your life around it is another.
Hanafi, Shaafi, Mallicki, Humble all make it easier for you to follow the Quran.
Its Ironic People talk about divisions in Islam and how everyone interprets their own version of the verses. And then have the guts to come on here and say everyone should make their own islam by reading the Quran and interpreting it to how they like it.
Try to make some Logical claims atleast.
Its impossible for someone to interpret the Quran and the others to interpret it the same way, UNLESS they are of Isnad, those who have knowlegde of the Life of the Prophet pbuh, Sahabah, and Quran itself.
Reading on your own is one thing, but when it comes to rulings. You cannot live without an Aalim.
I've already given you hadiths on Taqleed. Its up to you to ignore them and introduce your "own" islam.
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You people are missing the point. There should be no argument over who is right. It is pointless to argue because there are certain referances that people in other sects of Islam do not believe to be authentic, therefore they follow what they believe is right.
However, I am a bit confused as to whether the ones who believe they are following the correct path but in actuality are not will recieve punishment or not. Allah(swt) guides us based on our intentions, however, in the Hadith that Sadiyah posted it said the Prophet Muahmmad (pbuh) stated that "seventy-two [sects] are in the Fire and one in Paradise".
Can someone please clarify (without being biased, if that's possible)?
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^ All the 73 sects are Muslims.
The ones that will be in Heaven are those who are following Islam (in word and deed) as preached and practiced by the Prophet (saw).
Those who (sects) who have ‘deviated’ from Islam as practiced and taught by the Prophet (saw) are still Muslims but with pollution in their beliefs and deeds. So they will be sent to the hell to be cleansed of this pollution. They will eventually end up in Heaven.
It should be noted that some groups have strayed so far from Islam that they have joined the camp of kufr (Disbelief). Examples being: Ahmadis/Bahais/Druzes/Allawis (who take Hz. Ali (ra) to be part of Allah (swt) – naudibillah!
Every sect claims to from the righteous one. It is duty of every Muslim to make sure that he/she is following the 'victorious sect'. This can only be done by searching and researching for the Truth and not just following the sect they are born into and this is the difficult part. Indeed very difficult.
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^ Thankyou for the explanation, but I'm sure you could've done this without mentioning biased examples.
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I just presumed that the next question will be: “Are there any ‘Islamic sects’ that will not be admitted to Heaven?”
Just take it that I am prejudiced against those I mentioned.
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I apologize, but I had to clean up this thread. I don't think it's about the dispute between Shias and Sunnis over history, but generally about the number of sects and perhaps how there shouldn't be any sects.
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Amazing, I wonder why you were only requesting people to help out the member with the initial query as some people were opnely bashing shai'sm and blatantly relating it to a fictional person. But when all of that was refuted from your very own books and people were shown the facts you had to clean up the thread.
Great!
The Prophet Muhammed (May the Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him) also said: “Indeed the people of the Book before you split into seventy-two sects. And this nation will split into seventy-three sects, seventy-two are in the Fire and one in Paradise”. And in another narration, “All are in the Fire except one.” It was asked: Who is that one? He replied, “That which I and my Companions are upon” Related by at-Tirmidhi (5/62) and al-Haakim (1/128). It has been authenticated by al-Haafidh al-Iraaqee in Takhreejul-Ihyaa (3/199) and al-Albaanee in as-Saheehah (no.204).
Does that include all of the companion or some of them. Cause according to history about 80,000 companions were killed fighting each other. And every one knows what quran says about a person who kills a mo'min. But wait, Quran also mention there were munafiqeen among companions (Sura Munafiqoon) will they also go in Paradise.
Strangely, it is also mentioned in Sahih Bukhari that some of the companions teid up in chains will be brougt to the Prophet (s) and then will be thrown in hell for adding new bida's in Islam.
If not all the companions, then how one can recognise which of them are to follow if you want to go into Jannah as mentioned in the Hadith you posted.
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Allah (swt) has also made us Ashraf Al Makhluqaat and blessed us with Aql so we can decide what’s right and what’s wrong and then act upon it using the free will He (swt) has given us.
As brother Ibn Sadique mentioned above all the 73 sects are Muslim but according to hadith 72 of them will go in Hell, means Majority of Muslim Ummah is wrong and will be thrown into hell as testified by Quran:
**“If thou obeyedst most of those on earth they would mislead thee far from Allah’s way. They follow naught but an opinion, and they do but guess” (6:116). **
**“Most of the people will not have faith, however hard you try” (12:103). **
“Most people are not grateful” (2:243)
“Most people do not know” (7:187)
“Most of the people do not believe” (11:17)
“…so they shall not believe except a few.” (4:155)
Keeping that Hadith and above verses of Noble Quran in mind it is obligatory for every Muslim to recognize the true path of Islam which leads him straight to Jannah. And to do that you must have to go back in the History and see where, when and how the division was started. You have to see the Tradition of Prophet (s) in which he mentioned who to follow. Believe me, most of the Sunni don’t know and never told what’s written in their own books and there are a lot of traditions out there from Prophet (s) mentioning who to follow in those books which I can post here but due to biased moderation of the forum I wont.
Any how, here’s a fine quote from an article written on the same topic:
read more backed by verses of Quran and sunni traditions HERE](http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/shia_of_ali_appraisal/en/index.php)
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Brother Zero1 – You are back to your old tricks. 
How I wish that you would your own advice for a change which you are trying to dish out to others. **[Allah (swt) has also made us Ashraf Al Makhluqaat and blessed us with Aql so we can decide what’s right and what’s wrong and then act upon it using the free will] **
How have you concluded that the 72 straying sects are in the majority? Just because of the number 72?
Please remove the sectarian glasses that you are wearing and read the Quranic ayahs that you have quoted in our post. Show me where it says that Majority of Believers:
So, are you implying that the above applies to Ahlul Sunnah? 
My dear friend, the ayahs that you have quoted are addressed to the Mankind in general and not to the Believers.
Use the facutly of reason that Allah (swt) has bestowed on you and leave alone the bias that you have in your heart.
It is a historical fact even nowadays that Majority of Mankind is of Unbelievers.
Your first imam Hz. Ali bin Abi Talib (ra) has implore you to follow the Majority of the Believers.
You take him to be infallible and yet do not pay heed to his advice. Read Sermon 126 from Nahjul Balagha
……………With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who loves me too much and the love takes him away from rightfulness, and he who hates me too much and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness. The best man with regard to me is he who is on the middle course. So be with him and be with the great majority (of Muslims) because Allah’s hand (of protection) is on keeping unity. You should beware of division because the one isolated from the group is (a prey) to Satan just as the one isolated from the flock of sheep is (a prey) to the wolf…………….Nahjul Balagha 126
Brother Zero1 Just to let you know that we, Ahlul Sunnah wa Jammah, take our religion from **Quran and Sunnah **and not from history books.
You have tried to vilify ( not for the first of last time) the noble companions (raa) of the Prophet (saw) and read how the Noble Quran testifies for them.
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward. 48:29
“Allah was well pleased with the believers when they swore allegiance unto you beneath the tree, and He knew what was in their hearts, and He sent down peace of reassurance on them, and has rewarded them with a near victory.” 48:18
And the first to lead the way, of the Muhajirin and the Ansar, and those who followed them in goodness - Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him, and He hath made ready for them Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide for ever. That is the supreme triumph. 9:100
Once Imam Shafii (rahimullah) asked the Jews: “who is the best among your nation?” They said: “the companions of Moses.”
Then he asked the Christians so they replied: “the apostles of Jesus.”
Then he asked the Râfida “who is the worst among your nation?” They said: “the Companions of Muhammad”
Brother Zero1 – the link of the site that you gave is vociferously anti-Sahabah. Try to keep away from such sites.
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ok i didnt read all the replys here so if some has already spoke of this then scuse me. as far as i am awere abt this hadith. is that the word sects is not refering to islamic groups rather the word sects is talkin abt abt those who have left the folds of islam like e.g nation of islam and other group of ppl who blv that there was another prophit affter muhamed s/a/w/s
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Once again I've tried to clean up the thread. Please keep the Shia vs. Sunni debate out of it. Any more derailing and I would be compelled to close down the thread. Cooperation would be much appreciated.
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What is the point of posting if you keep deleting them .....go head close this thread
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when GOD says Aqal waloun , samaj waloun ka le ya quran kafee hai.
Then how can we say we all have wisdom to follow the religions the way you want everyone to understand. How can we believe in those, (who are telling us the religion,) have followed it better than ourselves. And without having believe in someones intelligence regarding religion, I do not think it is justified to take it from someone. We have to be faceing GOD on the day of judgement . Not the one who intend to teach us. DANDAY KA ZOUR SAY. MERA DIL KHAHTA HAI KA ADl ellahi according to aqal hou ga, not according to precher. He the precher himself would be MOHTAJ on the day of judgement dara dara gabraya ghabraya sa.
When intelligence is different, we have different kinds of societies and there is bond to be different kinds of religions and sects. In prophets mohammed time things were not the way every thing is today. If GOD wanted, he would have left us with no choice. We all would have born with same religion. YAH TOU MUNSHAE EZDI HAI . that there should be so many religion. That is why there is janat and hell. He liked it this way.
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come to think of it, the topic says “dividing islam into sects” and you are wondering why people are posting shiya/sunni stuff
how can you discuss something without its basis, its theology, its history.