Distorted Image of Muslim Women!

Salam…this is copy and paste! Sue me! Mod. Please don’t move this thread yet to religion, since most “freedom” fighters do not go in religion forum!!!

Distorted Image of Muslim Women!

-by a former non-muslim, Sister Naasira bint Ellison-

Since the height of the feminist movement in the late 70’s there has been a magnifying glass placed over the status of muslim women. Unfortunately, the magnifying glass that has been used is an unusual one. Unusual in the sense that it is very selective about which items it will magnify; other items it will distort to such a degree that they will no longer look familiar. I remember once reading in an “in depth” article about the lives of muslim women. This article “explained” that at any time a man can divorce his wife by simply stating “I divorce you, I divorce you, I divorce you”. This article can lead anyone ignorant of the Islamic ruling regarding divorce to believe that in less than five seconds the woman is left with no husband and is left to care for herself (and possibly children) by any means necessary. The question that immediately popped up in my mind was, “Did the author innocently write that out of sincere ignorance or was it another of the many attempts to degrade the religion of Islam and its followers (muslims)?” It may be my own paranoia, but I tend to believe it was the latter of the two.

The truth of the matter is that Islam has the most humane and most just system of divorce that exists. Firstly, many options are taken and tried before coming to the decision of the divorce. If the man and woman decide that they can no longer live together successfully as a husband and wife, the husband (in most cases, not always) pronounces the divorce by saying “I divorce you”. At this point the waiting period begins. The waiting period lasts for three menstrual cycles to assure the woman is not pregnant. This period allows the couple time to think about what they are doing and if this is what they really want to do. There are no lawyers involved to antagonize an already delicate situation.

In the case that it is realized, that the woman is pregnant, the waiting period lasts the entire time she is pregnant. During the waiting period (whether the woman is pregnant or not) the man is obligated to provide food, clothing and shelter to the woman as he did before the divorce pronouncement. If the couple carries the divorce through to the birth of the child and the woman suckles the baby, the man is obligated to feed and clothe both his ex-wife for the time the woman suckles (the maximum being two years). After this weaning, the child will be provided for by the father until he/she is no longer in need of support.

It is quite ironic that in such an “advanced society” as America, there are divorce cases in which women are being forced to pay alimony to their ex-husbands. Can this and many other things we know about the American system of divorce compare to the Islamic system of divorce?

I have also read stories wherein it is stated that women are forced to marry men without their consent. This in no way resembles the marriage system in Islam. In Islam the woman marries the man of her choice. She may even marry someone that her mother and/or father objects to. The point is that it is the woman who makes the final decision as to whom she will marry. Once the man and the woman decide that they are interested in one another for marriage, a dowry is decided upon. A dowry is not a brides price but, it is a gift from the groom to the bride. They agree upon a gift that is affordable by the groom. In the time of the Prophet (sas), often things such as livestock and money were given. This is a wise decision in the event that a woman becomes divorced or widowed, she has some financial security to fall back on even if it is for a limited amount of time. Once the man and woman are married, the man is required to clothe, feed, shelter and educate her (or allow her to be educated) in the same manner as he does himself.

The last distorted image that I will cover is that of the muslim women’s dress. The western influenced media portrays our dress to be outdated and oppressive. Needless to say however, I differ with these adjectives. Our dress code does not hinder us from doing anything productive in our lives. Muslim women maintain a variety of jobs, non of which are devalued nor hampered due to their dress code. And as for the timing of muslims women’s dress during these contemporary times, it seems most appropriate due to decreasing morals in the world today.

For those who say that Islamic dress is outdated, they speak from great ignorance. The decreasing molarity and trials of this time makes Hijaab even more in need. More than ever before sex crimes are rampant. Although this society tells women they can wear what they want to wear, anytime a rape occurs the woman is the one put on trial an one of the first questions is, “What were you wearing?” This concept seems as though it is a set up directed against the so called contemporary woman. Also there is a direct correlation between the respect a man has for a woman and the amount of her body her body she displays flauntigly.

In conclusion, I hope this article helped to clear up some distorted/misunderstood aspects of Islam and women. Women in Islam are respected and held in high regard. We will never find success and/or solutions to our problems until we realize that Allah knows best and that this disbelieving society will ruin itself.

Taken from Hudaa magazine, Jamaica, New York.


~mOrE LoVe iS NeVeR eNoUgH~
Jaan-e-mun Jaan-e-Tamanaa
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Dr loveless,

         Great reading, thanks.  I am sure everyone appreciates this sort of thread, however I think you are "too" defensive at times, you have got to learn to stop being abusive for one and secondly if someone opposes your view you must try to to DISCUSS the issue with them, not jump down their throat.  

I am sorry if I have offended you in any way but in Islam kind words are better than harsh words. You of all people must know that. :)

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Mariah, another confusion about me its ok.

I am not offensive, its the stuff i write, most of the stuff that gets on peoples mind is “bringing islam in everything”. They dont like me bringing islam in ever issue. They want the islam to be kept only in religoin forum. Sorry, can’t do.

I live offending people…

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espeacially the ones who have no grounds to stand on…:wink:


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Jaan-e-mun Jaan-e-Tamanaa
Edharr aah teriyaaN LaatTaanN PunNaa-n

Jaawan,

Here is an example of the harshness and offensive approach that people keep advising you about:

Instead of posting this:

[quote]
Originally posted by Dr LoveLess:
*Salam...this is copy and paste! Sue me! Mod. Please don't move this thread yet to religion, since most "freedom" fighters do not go in religion forum!!!
*

[/quote]

You could have simply posted this:

[quote]
Originally posted by Dr LoveLess:
*Please don't move this thread yet to religion, since most "freedom" fighters do not go in religion forum!!!
*

[/quote]

The end result would be a kinder and less abrasive message from you.

None of this example has anything to do with the subject of Islam (i.e. except that the second approach is likely more in keeping with Islamic values), nor does it have anything to do with us having "grounds to stand on".

It's just simple courtesy.

[QUOTE]
Originally posted by Dr LoveLess:
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Mariah, another confusion about me its ok. **

Dude the confusion about you is that one should practise whathe or she preaches. Husn-al-iqlaaq is a key component of a muslim.

**I am not offensive, its the stuff i write, most of the stuff that gets on peoples mind is “bringing islam in everything”. They dont like me bringing islam in ever issue. They want the islam to be kept only in religoin forum. Sorry, can’t do. **

You are not offensive??? let me post a little sentence by you.

**Originally posted by Dr LoveLess:
shove it up somewhere tight of yours, and cry Jaawan!!! You sorry SOB!!! **

You think this is not offensive?

**I live offending people…

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espeacially the ones who have no grounds to stand on…;)**

And that is teh way to go right, if someone does not agree or does not know, you can call him/her anything you want.

Sure sure you will cry about “oh people are rude to me and I am rude back at them”

Just remember the example of Rasool Allah in Taif when he did not want to exact revenge against those who injured him..

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X-factor… “Jesa mu, wesi chaapair” parey ghi…laterzzz :slight_smile:


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Jaan-e-mun Jaan-e-Tamanaa
Edharr aah teriyaaN LaatTaanN PunNaa-n

..and that is Islamic? is that how Hazoor or the Sahaba act? say what you want. Its wrong.

Even when people approach you nicely you just don't get the message do you?

And you call yourself a Muslim! You give a bad name to Muslims.

…now what happened?

Queer & Muzna…did i say i am perfect muslim? Ever? Just because i like islam and i know something about it, does NOT make a perfect muslim…anyway i don’t wanna give you a speech here…i think you get the message.

Dont change the subject. NO more replies this crap…if you have something to say about the original post and topic..please say so..other wise keep your what ever opinion to your self, because it wont matter.

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Muzna, you call your self muslim as well right? yes. I dont see anything that is islamic about you. Than why do you have “syed” with your name or call your self that.
Atleast i talk about islam, i see everything through islamic point of veiw, you see everything opposite and westernized.
Hope that was not offensive. :slight_smile:


~mOrE LoVe iS NeVeR eNoUgH~
Jaan-e-mun Jaan-e-Tamanaa
Edharr aah teriyaaN LaatTaanN PunNaa-n

[This message has been edited by Dr LoveLess (edited September 14, 2000).]

I totally agree with all the values and respect given to women by Islam, but the problem is I dont see that Islam ALIVE anywhere in the society. Non of those values given to women in Islamic society is in practise, today.

Yes, yasin they are not practiced today, but it does NOT mean you blaim it on islam>that islam does not give women their rights or stuff like that. Thats just wrong and any muslims should not tolerate it.

Yes islam gives everyone their rights equally, you just have to follow it, like it is than you will see.

In islamic countries there is so called "democracy" so we should blaim it on the democracy being practiced there not islam.
Democracy and islam do not mix.
Laterzzz...


~~~mOrE LoVe iS NeVeR eNoUgH~~~
Jaan-e-mun Jaan-e-Tamanaa
Edharr aah teriyaaN LaatTaanN PunNaa-n

Jaawan,

Perhaps it's just your lacking English skills or perhaps you really don't have a point so you can't express it.....

Exactly what does my name have to do with any of what we are discussing here?

Whether or not I am Muslim has nothing to do with you or anyone else. Especially since I don't preach it or claim to know more than others about it, as you repeatedly do.

Let's put it simply -- you get it thrown in your face because you constantly harp on it. If you weren't so hard on others, they'd likely take it easy on you as well.

Finally, you don't like people being judgemental. Are you?

Read your post again and read it with eyes open, you brought the "being muslim" part up.

My english? There you have it another assumption by the Maasi. Well, what can i say. I
I can express my opinion in any form i want to, you just have to have the brains to understand it. If i write something that is above your intellectual level, you would think im insulting you. If you go on babbling about your opinion being the best, and not even read what i have to say, you will get bombarded with hardness. As we all know some guppies can be total obese caputs, matter of understanding anything would be far off.

You have syed name with your name, why do you use religious name with your name, when you your self is not even like islam being talked.
The real family of Syeds is no more, so pretending to be one to get respect doesn't help. I understand you got that "syed" name from your husbands family.
You should atleast reflect what syeds really were, but i dont see that. All i see is westernized filth filled in your corpulent minds and no one is there to confront you with that. Well, I just have.
I don't think i have judged anyone, maybe in "muzaqq" but nothing serious. Not as serious to judge the inner most feelings of a person, like you did.


~~~mOrE LoVe iS NeVeR eNoUgH~~~
Jaan-e-mun Jaan-e-Tamanaa
Edharr aah teriyaaN LaatTaanN PunNaa-n

Dr. Lovenone, you have some good points but you ruined it with slandering the West with your comments. The earth has North East South and Western hemispheres. I am East and West mix. It's all good. My ancestors knew so. High caste Indian and English Genteel (CMO British Navy). My purpose on earth I have been told (by Top psychics) is to bring East and West a little closer. It's impossible. I do not have an army or a deathwish. Just live and let live. The Western society is full of corruption but also GOOD prevails. There are racist laws in London that are being followed. When I read about a little girl who was seduced by a man in another thread is about to die with the brutal lashes. I am horrified. She is to be pitied not murdered. I will pray for her./

Well andicat thank you. The west part was not the issue here, the issue was as the subject of the post suggests. But they have brought up the western issue in this post, they have changed the topic...sorry im just responding to their posts.

I would love to see people giving comments on the subject of the post. But as you know some people just want to ruin the post, distract the members from discussing the real stuff and problems at hand. Shame on them.


~~~mOrE LoVe iS NeVeR eNoUgH~~~
Jaan-e-mun Jaan-e-Tamanaa
Edharr aah teriyaaN LaatTaanN PunNaa-n

[This message has been edited by Dr LoveLess (edited September 15, 2000).]

Islam is about making people understand, not by telling them this is this cuz it says so, some of our own people are confused too, because they have not been brought up with religious values. Then when they come on here and all they see is you slagging off everyone, then dont you think they are gonna think twice before posting stuff.

From your above comment I have realised you are a hypocrite. On the one hand mashallah you provide us with islamic sources and on the other hand you love to abuse people and are proud of it!!!.. Sorry, but these two dont go hand in hand for a REAL muslim

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[This message has been edited by Mariah (edited September 15, 2000).]

Coming back to the original topic of this thread.

From my perspective, In Islam, women have more rights than men. In Islam they are respected more - your mother is more respected than your father.

All the oppression towards muslim women in todays society is purely to do with culture. People can try to mix Islam and culture, but this does not turn out to be Islam.

Men are very much to blame. Most rules and regulations are made up by them and women are often discriminated against. I don't see why women can let this happen? But maybe, i'm looking at it from a man's point of view, where anything is possible if you really try.

As with most things, education is most important. I propose educating this world and protecting women from being exploited.

Andicat: I think that beauty pageants fuel this discrimination, thats why I am so against them.

Ditto Cooldude… :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

MS

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~~ Gizzy Ki Jaano.. ~~

If i write something that is above your intellectual level, you would think im insulting you. <<<

Jawan yar give me a favour. mera password le lo aur mere naam pe dou chaar intelligent posts maaro. I am respecting people here and they think I am dumb or something.

Dr. Loveless

Politics and religion can go together.

The role of religion in contemporary politics is relevant all over the world. I'm in Canada, only a generation ago, liberal activists in Canada and the U.S. were motivated by religious principles to fight for civil rights, equality for women, an end
to the arms race, and for the social services of an enlightened welfare state.
History tells us that religion and politics do mix and have always mixed. In ancient Egypt -- one of the super-powers of its time -- the ruling Pharaoh always claimed divinity. Three centuries after Jesus
Christ, the emperor of Rome converted to Christianity and then proclaimed his realm to be Holy.
When, in Europe, the Church and State were seperated it never meant the separation of religion and politics. The state was still forbidden to establish its own religion, or advance and favour a specific religious doctrine in preference to all others.

Infact, its the Dictatorship that terminates all the constitution of State. Which mean during the time of Dictatorship u dont have have basic rights, u cannot follow religion of your choice, you cannot own anything (at any time the dictators can take your properties from you), you cannot speak, you cannot practise anything.

Its Democracy that brings all those right to its people; right to practise your religion, and so forth.

I hope this must have removed misconceptions in your might that Democracy and religon cannot mix.

Take care

bye