Did US Forces enter Pakistan to kill Osama bin Laden in Islamabad?

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Then.... why did they do that? What's the (real) reason? ''Fears about Bin Laden's burial place turning into a shrine for Islamists were probably unfounded, since the Wahhabi/Salafi tradition rejects such things.''

I'm don't know & I'm not blind and brainwashed. Thanks God :)

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Well thats very real concern i must say.
Wahabis may not do that but tons of other people can surely do that.

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Safe haven from what? Too many spies in the tribal areas belonging to too many different organisations. As much as OBL might have loved the rough Jihadi lifestyle I am sure he would have missed his his pampered Arab Sheikh lifestyle.

If this person really was OBL then there is no way the Pak Military/ISI would not have known about his presence. I am surprised no one ever mentionned Abbottabad before as a haven. If he had been there for 5 years then thats a long long time. Surely even the locals would have questionned what went on inside that house unless it was completely off limits.

The Pak Military intelligence must be very active in that region esp with Kakul, its proximity to Kashmir so almost certainly they would have known about this strange house and the strange goings on. The rumours OBL was in Kashmir could have been true because Abbottabad is not far from Kashmir.

I got this joke from another person "*Breaking news............. Elton John is to record a tribute song "sandles in the bin"...
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lol yes the people who were killed by Osama would have worshipped him

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The whole incident is being painted in order to gain political mileage internally, and to justify their presence in Afghanistan. Some of the details being floated are simply ludicrous.
1. Osama was sitting in a multimillion dollar compound 'adjacent to PMA'. (PMA frequenty plays host to high ranking military officers, and the security sweep done before such an officer's arrival covers a huge area, so its funny how this compound was never swept or questioned. It is likely that Osama was kept under house arrest in the compound , with full knowledge of the americans.)

  1. US forces came in with helicopters and troops, and Pakistan was not informed. They did the deed in the dead of the night, and left. (Abbotabad has a lot of military installations, and is heavily secured. Highly unlikely that such an operation could be conducted without informing, or without the cooperation of Pak military. Likely that the top brass has been threated/paid into keeping shut on the details, in order to show the US forces in a good light, so that political mileage can be achieved at home, and war can be justified.
  2. Osama was buried in the sea.(Reason given was that else, people might turn it into a shrine. More likely that the guy was dead for a long time, and his body was simply disposed off in the water in order to 'make it disappear'.)

Good thing that the guy is taken care of, but its bad that US govt is building domestic mileage out of this at Pakistan's expense, and worse that the Pak govt is allowing it. Shame on our govt.

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and there is more, you might have missed

http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/02/bin-laden-operation-conducted-by-us-forces-pakistan.html

anyway, the link you quoted also calls him Obama bin laden.. i wonder what is with this mixup by everyone..

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^^ there is a difference between typo and misreporting.
you dont like the message, dont shoot the messenger.

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With all the news that has come in so far, it does seem like a US operation carried out in Abbotabad. No mention of any Pakistani collaboration.

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news are becoming more and more ridiculous each day.

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(CNN) – In the dark of night, U.S. helicopters approached a high-walled compound in Pakistan on a mission to capture or kill one of the world’s most notorious terrorist leaders.
Less than 40 minutes later – early Monday morning in Pakistan – Osama bin Laden was dead, along with four others inside the complex, and the U.S. forces departed with the slain al Qaeda leader’s body to fulfill a vow that originated shortly after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States.
And as he announced the raid at the White House Sunday night, U.S. President Barack Obama called bin Laden’s death “the most significant achievement to date in our nation’s effort to defeat al Qaeda.”
One senior administration official called the investigative “team effort” and a “model of really seamless cooperation” across agencies.

This official and others briefed reporters on further details on the assault on the compound, which they believe was built five years ago for the specific purpose of hiding bin Laden.
The compound is in Abbottabad, about 50 kilometers (31 miles) north of the Pakistani capital of Islamabad. The city sits in a mountainous region of Pakistan and is not heavily populated. Many of the residents are army personnel.
While senior administration officials would not offer a breakdown of the U.S. mission’s composition, a senior defense official said U.S. Navy SEALs were involved.
After years of intelligence work and months of following a specific lead, they traced a courier linked to bin Laden to the compound in Abbottabad.
When first built, the compound was secluded and reachable by only a dirt road, the officials said. In recent years, more residences built up around it, but it remained by far the largest and most heavily secured property in the area, they said.
The mission ordered Friday by Obama encountered outer walls up to 18 feet tall topped with barbed wire, with two security gates and a series of internal walls that sectioned off different portions of the compound, the senior administration officials said. The main structure was a three-story building with few windows facing the outside of the compound, and a third-floor terrace had a seven-foot privacy wall, they said.
Months of intelligence work determined that the compound was custom-built to hide a high-value terrorism suspect, almost certainly bin Laden. The officials noted there was no telephone or internet service at the dwelling, which was valued at more than $1 million, and its occupants burned their trash rather than leave it out for collection as other area residents did.
Calling the U.S. operation a surgical raid, officials said it was conducted by a small team and designed to minimize collateral damage. Upon landing, the team encountered resistance from bin Laden and three other men that resulted in a firefight.
In the end, all four of the combatants in the compound were dead, along with a woman whom one of the men used as a human shield, the officials said. Sources said bin Laden was shot in the head.

At some point, one of the assaulting helicopters crashed due to a mechanical failure, according to the officials. It was destroyed as the U.S. team flew away, they said.
Obama and the senior administration officials said no U.S. forces were harmed in the operation, which took place very early Monday morning Pakistan time.
U.S. officials said they used a number of methods to identify the body as bin Laden.
One official said it was clear to the assault force that the body matched bin Laden’s description, but they used “facial recognition work, amongst other things, to confirm the identity.”
A senior national security official told CNN that they had multiple confirmations that the body was bin Laden, saying they had the “ability to run images of the body and the face.”
Another U.S. official told CNN that bin Laden has already been buried at sea. The official said his body was handled in the Islamic tradition, but did not elaborate.
A senior administration official also said bin Laden’s body would be “handled in accordance with Islamic practice and tradition. This is something that we take very seriously, and so therefore this is being handled in an appropriate manner.”
According to the senior administration officials, intelligence work determined at the beginning of 2011 that bin Laden might be located at the compound in Pakistan. By mid-February, the intelligence was considered strong enough to begin considering action pledged by Obama when bin Laden’s whereabouts had been determined.
To discuss that intelligence and develop a plan, Obama chaired five National Security Council meetings from mid-March until late April, with the last two on April 19 and April 28 – last Thursday. The next day, on Friday, Obama gave the order for the mission, the officials said.
The key break involved one of the few couriers trusted by bin Laden, according to the officials. About two years ago, intelligence work identified where the courier and his brother lived and operated in Pakistan, and it took until August of last year to find the compound in Abbottabad raided Sunday, they said.
“When we saw the compound where the brothers lived, we were shocked by what we saw – an extraordinarily unique compound,” one senior administration official said. “The compound sits on a large plot of land in an area that was relatively secluded when it was built. It is roughly eight times larger than the other homes in the area.”
Noting that the courier and his brother had no discernible source of wealth to live at such a property, intelligence analysts concluded the compound was “custom-built to hide someone of extraordinary significance,” the official said, adding: “Everything was consistent with what experts thought Osama bin Laden’s compound would look like.”
Another senior administration official told reporters that Obama’s administration did not share intelligence gathered beforehand with any other country – including Pakistan – for security reasons. The official said that only a small group of people inside the U.S government knew about this operation in advance.
However, a senior Pakistani intelligence official said members of Pakistan’s intelligence service, the ISI, were on site in Abbottabad during the operation. There was no way to immediately resolve the apparent discrepancy.

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why did they vanish the body without any pics or DNA test etc? that's just bizarre.

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I am sure they have all of that - its just not been released publicly.

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^why not?

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They probably have their reasons. Not everything in the govt domain is for public consumption - it will probably come out if and when the time is right.

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oh please stop patronizing.

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something of this calibre (if it were true) will SURELY not be kept a secret and out of the eyes of the public, even an idiot knows that. when the time is right? let's not go back to saddam hussein, which was broadcast around the world...why on earth would they not do the same for osama? who was right at the top of america's hit list?

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Exactlt. If they really had caught/killed him, they would proudly show the world their triumph, like a player who brags about the so-maniest chick he has had.

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No one would DARE to do such a thing, his suppurters would definitely attack them.

He could have chosen plenty of other places, but why Abbottabad? The city with a military base AND near Islamabad.
It took America 10 years to 'find' this guy (a country with sophisticated techniques and weapons) and now they've find him in a villa somewhere deep inside Pakistan? You must be kidding.
There might be spies in the tribal areas, but we're talking about a huge region with mountains, mountains and........... mountains. It is a safe place to hide probably far more safe than a city like Abbottabad or other parts of Pakistan.

Today America has 'shown' the world that big terrorists like Bin Laden can reside in Pakistan. It was just another american puppet show. This event is an excuse to show America's superiority and to increase (drone) attacks on Pakistan.

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Exactly! This man (Al-Qaida) has 'killed' many innocent american/western citizens and soldiers.
Why would they respect him(dead body) and his religion, and why would they handle his body in accordance with Islamic practice and traditions? It doesn't make sense!

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Well there are many valid questions that need answers.

  1. where are pics and videos.
  2. what was pak establishment's role in the incident.
  3. Why would they dispose body so quickly.
  4. where did americans come from.
  5. why didnt they capture him alive.
  6. why now?

all my questions are non conspiratorial like yours, i hope someone will answer it soon.