desis and their drinking habits

Muzna · July 25, 2001, 7:03pm

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Originally posted by Tanhaa:
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2. Its the British who brought social drinking of alcohol in India. And of course to suck up to the British, desis went overboard. So much so that now its the Hip thing for the younger generation in Desiland.

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So are you suggesting that there was no consumption of alcohol prior to the arrival of the British?

Not even by the mughals?

Tanhaa · July 25, 2001, 7:25pm

Muzna jee .. mera kehna hai ke, Mogul-on ke Zamaane main bhee Agar meray Dada aur Dadi amma aap ke Dada aur Dadi Amma ko unke ghar milnay jaatay to, Chahay hum dono Hindu ho ya Mussalman, Aap ki Dadi Amma, yeh nahi ketee....

Aa-iye Aa-iye Tashreef rakhiye. kya haal hai? muddat ho gyai aap say milay. Kehiye kya pijiye ga? Oh haa-n, Aise maukey ke liye maine Angrezi sharab ke ek botal sumbhal ke rakhi hai. Vo ek Angrez saudagar aaya tha, usay kuch pais-oon ke zaroorat thee, bari sasti baich gaya? Kya umda sharaab hai. Aray Aray aap Khare kyon hain? baithiye na , mai abhi sharab aur kuch glass le ke aati hoon ???

To yeh hai desi Tehzeeb ki baat .

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Roman · July 25, 2001, 7:57pm

khan_sahib,

There is no "them" vs "us" when it comes to drinking. Goras are not "them" in this case. It's the choice of people that makes them drink. Both poor and middle class people drink socially - I have no idea what kinda parties you have been going to.

Alcohol compliments a social gathering. It's more enjoyable than compared to, say, orange juice. Why the heck would somebody want to drink something out of the blue just because 'goras' are doing it? People drink because it's enjoyable, not because some Joe Doe is doing it. Similiarly, when people drink in Pakistan, they don't drink because it's a 'west' thing, they drink it because, guess what, it's enjoyable.

Peer pressure is a different thing and I agree that with peer pressure, you can start smoking, drugs, etc or whatever. But a person's peer pressure group doesn't know any specific ethnicity. It's not exclusively 'gora vs us' kinda thing. I think you are too conscious of your own ethnicity.

As far as Quran is concerned, many people follow the teachings of it and many don't. God be the judge of it, not self-rightous people like you who'd pick up Quran and issue fatways and start bashing people who drink or eat pork. If it's only about faith that counts not the hazardous effects of alcohol etc then you don't have a right to bash people who drink since their faith is different than yours - theirs include drinking and eating pork. Fact of the matter is that people like you bash drinking to justify your own blind faith. If a person choose to drink moderately and doesn't drive while under the influence then I don't see anything wrong with his/her choice and it definitely doesn't give me any right start bashing him/her. That would be similar to somebody who prays 5 times a day and bashes every other person who doesn't just because he's virtuous by his own standards.

FYI · July 26, 2001, 8:41am

i HAD PREPARED A VERY LONG COMPREHENSIVE POST MAINLY BAD EFFECT OF aLCOHOL.BUT Guppo Post ate it deleted it in the process tsk tsk.

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My only contribution is you atleast read & understand all material under Google search engine .for alcol effects short term & long term

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Economic cost of alcoholism.

Leave about islam ,if you are not muslim & if you are 'bas nam mohommed hai suwar nahi katha lekin sharab peeta hoon.'

In this age (thanks goodness for fitness & health guru) alcohol is TOXIC which means poison.

You can fool yourself but it will catch up to you .Iam selfish for my health sake i never touched drink.And somebody said of socializing ,iam the only life of the party who can drive them home or remain conscious at the end of the party

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Woh afsaana jise anjaam tak, laana na ho mumkin
    Use ek KHoobsoorat moR dekar, chhoRna achha

queer · July 26, 2001, 9:12am

In this age (thanks goodness for fitness & health guru) alcohol is TOXIC which means poison.<

someone fooled you again, FYI baji. phir se google search maar ke dekho.

Iam selfish for my health sake i never touched drink.<

what about reports on the beneficial effects of moderate drinking? how about the presence of cancer-fighting compounds in many wines?

MyStiCaL_MisS · July 26, 2001, 10:23am

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All is the Beloved and the lover is a veil
The Beloved is alive and the lover is dead (RUMI)

ahmadjee · July 26, 2001, 3:05pm

In one of my very first thread on gupshup I raised similar type of question.

On my flight from Islamabad to Dubai, which is not very far away from home or too far into the western world ... I saw Pakistani chain-drinkers!

FYI · July 27, 2001, 8:31am

Queer,

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you r expert to the kurri dept. for GFQ,Naik Larki ,Sehar ,you are there encyclopaedia.

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I am big fish ,you are too amateur for

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professional like me

What can i say ,that is why in Islam men are given veto power in matters of testimony & as a scientists right fully so .Go read on google search mental status of women in menstrual cycle, PMSing & in pregnancy lactation etc.

Woh afsaana jise anjaam tak, laana na ho mumkin
Use ek KHoobsoorat moR dekar, chhoRna achha

queer · July 28, 2001, 7:48am

FYI baji,

i dont see how your being a big smelly fish lead to men in Islam have veto powers in matters of testimony, or how that is even related to what i asked. also, where did the women's health issues creep in? please do elaborate. thanks.

FYI · July 28, 2001, 8:03am

Queer,

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I know i am rather ambigous ,however

The point simply is if you take the insignificant doubtfull & dubious benefit of wine in heart diseases ,its like if you took sleeping pills & had sound rest full sleep ,i can bet if youfollowed such heart patients ,they will show the benefit of TENSIONFREE>DEEP NON ANXIETY NIGHTS SLEEP ,leading to lowered b.p helping heart also lowered stress helping relif stress on heart .So even sleeping pillcan be helpfull ,but we dont take sleeping pill every night for having that benefit wht should we take doubtful chemica ,wine for we know no chemical is HARMLESS when ingested.If the harm outweigh like in toxic chemical ET0h selling it for minor benefit is like false advertisement.

I mentioned about men having greater testimonial weight b/c i see your recommendation of dietary prescription to rabbit highly followed somewhere ,which is fine ,i only let you know that convincing us would take more scrutiny ,putting to double blind study & cross examination of your thesis & dissertation by big fish like me.

Cheers

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Woh afsaana jise anjaam tak, laana na ho mumkin
Use ek KHoobsoorat moR dekar, chhoRna achha

queer · July 29, 2001, 2:57am

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Originally posted by FYI:
its like if you took sleeping pills & had sound rest full sleep ,i can bet if youfollowed such heart patients ,they will show the benefit of TENSIONFREE>DEEP NON ANXIETY NIGHTS SLEEP ,leading to lowered b.p helping heart also lowered stress helping relif stress on heart .So even sleeping pillcan be helpfull
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chal beh! bara aaya neem hakeem..

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If the harm outweigh like in toxic chemical ET0h selling it for minor benefit is like false advertisement.
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ETOh? what advertisement?

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I mentioned about men having greater testimonial weight b/c i see your recommendation of dietary prescription to rabbit highly followed somewhere ,which is fine ,i only let you know that convincing us would take more scrutiny ,putting to double blind study & cross examination of your thesis & dissertation by big fish like me.
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Once again, i dont see why you consider yourself a big fish (if you forget the stink). for one, none of your sentences make any sense. did you just say that men are more intelligent than women, and cannot be fooled easily? and arent you dragging in Islam to support your jurassic views?

FYI · July 31, 2001, 6:23pm

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