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The only place where I have seen the religion of people changed is Spain and that too by the government imposing strict laws, clamping down the mosques and then over a period of time the people lost their religion. On the other side USSR tried the same in Central Asian Republics, but they failed to convert them. The people at the most they became dormant but retained their religion. Bosnians, Chechens, Dagastanis, and Xingiang, China have maintained their religion against all odds.
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Yes that was a dark chapter in history. But if we see on history many rich languages lost their existence due to conquests. In American Continnent, the lanaguage Maya lost its existence due to conquests by European countries. English people are a minority there, but English became official language and today no one knows about the language of natives :(
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^ yes that has happened mostly in those areas where the populations were small, the same was the case with indigenous people of Australia, US etc. The population of subcontinent was so large that the Brits couldnt make a difference. Now because of globalization things are changing, now even the Chinese and Russians are learning English to communicate with the rest of the world.
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First of all let us bare in mind large swathes of what is today was never conquered by the British or the Sikhs or the Chinese or the Ghurkas, so for some there never has been an adoption of the "conquerors" ways.
Meanwhile for the rest its not so much an adoption of a conquerors ways as it is a starvation and destruction fo your own ways. With no alternative what can you expect people to do.
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First of all let us bare in mind large swathes of what is today was never conquered by the British or the Sikhs or the Chinese or the Ghurkas, so for some there never has been an adoption of the "conquerors" ways.
Meanwhile for the rest its not so much an adoption of a conquerors ways as it is a starvation and destruction fo your own ways. With no alternative what can you expect people to do.
You mean the phrase 'While in Rome, do as the Romans do' is not applicable for conquerors?
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You mean the phrase 'While in Rome, do as the Romans do' is not applicable for conquerors?
It's no longer Rome when someone conquers it. It's now the Majesty's Rome.
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is liking English songs (pop songs) over your local melidious folk music a sign of inferiority complex?
At the risk of offering a cliched response - you feel music. So preferring western music if one so prefers need not be due to inf complex.
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At the risk of offering a cliched response - you feel music. So preferring western music if one so prefers need not be due to inf complex.
Agree with you on that. Half of the time I can't even understand a single word of what I'm listening to, but love the music anyway, cause I'm more into beats.
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It's no longer Rome when someone conquers it. It's now the Majesty's Rome.
Hence proved conqueror's / authorititive group impose their culture on others :)
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At the risk of offering a cliched response - you feel music. So preferring western music if one so prefers need not be due to inf complex.
Agree with you on that. Half of the time I can't even understand a single word of what I'm listening to, but love the music anyway, cause I'm more into beats.
Agree music doesn't have any language. We have seen Japnese and English people moving on Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's Qawwalis, but the legendary singer was appreciated locally only when he was recognised by all the world. This shows that 'Ghar ki murghi daal barabar' and says a lot of pshche of our people for their culture and people.
Tea :D
People mix music with poetry ....
Agar aap music ke fan ho to you may like any music....from any part of the world.
Music is universal :D
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Hence proved conqueror's / authorititive group impose their culture on others :)
Of course they do. They conquer a place and then try to make it feel like home.
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^ Not always though, Ghengis Khan simply conquered to feel better, he did not really have a plan of global domination as such he just raided and and raided hoping for sucess and sometimes he just got lucky. But never did he ever impose any ideals on others becuase he had none himself at first he learned more from the people he conquered than he could teach them which is why his empire was the largest ever and also one of the shortest lived.
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^ Not always though, Ghengis Khan simply conquered to feel better, he did not really have a plan of global domination as such he just raided and and raided hoping for sucess and sometimes he just got lucky. But never did he ever impose any ideals on others becuase he had none himself at first he learned more from the people he conquered than he could teach them which is why his empire was the largest ever and also one of the shortest lived.
Like you said, he never stayed in a place long enough to affect culture.
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True but even if he did get stopped by a superior army and was forced to stay in one place for a while, he would have adopted more from the native culture than imposed anything on them becuase he had much less to give and more to learn.
His Sons each changed according to the places in which they came to Rule. The Eastern Sons conquered mainly Bhudist China and ended up becoming largely soft and thier armies became equally soft. While they had learned a lot from the native lands what they learned was not suitable to conquest but more for long term peace.
The Western Sons conquered Russia and the Middle East from Afghanistan to Egypt. So the likes of Berke and Chagatai were more warrior spirited and thier armies had adopted Islam and become very tough fighters becuase of the years spent in war.
When the Civil war broke out it was a stalemate but ulimtately the Western Sons went on to develope much more conquests becuase of the way they had evolved.
It shows that conquerors need to be carefull and considerate towards the people they take over, one must not try and be too tough so that he will always be seen as harsh and one must not become so soft in that he will be seen as an easy target. With a lot of things in life balance is crucial.
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in these cases conquerors became conquered.
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Yes very much so, people think that a conqueror can have everything but in many strange ways the conqueror is sometimes the ultimate loser.
It is a very deep subject and trancends history but one of the reasons I no longer look to some conquerors as heros is becuase they were fundamentally flawed, in thier attempts to conquer they went beyond the limits of logic and became something more.
Many men have conquered on this Earth but few have been so great that in conquering the World they opened a new gateway to thier own minds and even when they had everything they realised they had nothing. Such men are the greatest of all conquerors.
The Ultimate ideal as it were... The harder the class the greater the pass.