Creationists

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Re: Creationists

@Med911

It shows that at the very least, there was a common ancestor to all species of bird, that had teeth. Penguins and chicken (without teeth) are separate species of bird.

How many snakes have you seen with limbs?

Your argument boils down to if I haven’t seen it, it still has the possibility of not being true. Perhaps, but evidence shows that evolution is practically a certainty. Im sure there is a minuscule chance that all this evidence is an illusion, but scientists will look to the most likely conclusion, that is that evolution is a certainty. Whether we can see it or not.

Is not the genetic variation we find among dogs an obvious enough indication to attest to the validity of speciation? We as humans do what nature takes Millions of hers to do. And yes dogs are still dogs, but if you know anything of genetics, its that at some point, the dog genome could become so diluted that it would be considered a totally separate species. Why do you ignore the inevitability of genetic variation producing new species?

Genetic drift over a short period time produces small variations. Those small variations over long periods constitute huge changes to produce speciation.

Dear Med911

I don’t understand why dormant teeth genes in a bird means that it must have had an ancestor that had teeth, but was also so different that it was another species.

My boiled down argument has another name … It is called the ‘scientific’ argument.

Now I’m not ignoring your explanation, but it doesn’t answer my question … What is the difference between genetic drift due to variation and genetic drift due to speciation.

When is variation called speciation?

Let me help you … Think of a horse and a donkey … Can they procreate?

Yes … Human and chimp? No … You will say the horse and donkey are genetically closer, I prefer to use word genetically more similar …

Ok … I know horse and donkey have 62 chromosomes and 64 chromosomes … Mules and Hinneys have 63, hence uneven division of sex cells renders them infertile.

Humans have 46 or 23 pairs, and chimps have 24 pairs making 48 … Can we hybridise ? No … Why?

Bird with dormant teeth codons … The scientists reactivated it’s teeth and the hatchlings did have teeth … The proof of speciation would be that these toothed birds will be either unable to reproduce with their dormant type or only be able to make one infertile generation.

Stop me if I have lost you …

If after reactivating dormant genes we then attempt to mate the changed specimen with the unchanged we should get the following two things to support evolution …

No offspring or one generation offspring

BUT … They need to be able to flourish amongst themselves too … That is key!