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*Originally posted by underthedome: *
So when Iraq uses chemical weapons against U.S. troops what does that mean?
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aaah .. my friend .. thats the only good hope US leaders have ... this will justify their war ... they are praying that asshole make such an attempt ... US troops are very well prepared against such threats ...
To all those people who are opposing war I would like to ask you one question
Should Saddam continue as the dictator of Iraq and cause untold misery to his people?
Is there is any alternative to remove Saddam in a peaceful manner?
He can never be dislodged. If you let him be, it would only be a matter of time before he starts amassing WMD again!.
Hence the sooner he goes the better!
so why delay the inevitable
I suspect the Republican Guard will again fold similar to 1991. If there is no internal revolt, even then the tons of bombs in the first day or so will demolish the Republican Guard anyway. Saddam will disappear and the 'Coalition of the Willing' will just march on to Baghdad. There will remain pockets of resistance here and there in urban warfare, but will be too isolated to be meaningful. There will be no torching of oil wells, no Al-samoud (or scuds) flying anywhere, no chemical and biological war. Nothing. Total and utter surrender. A non-war, if there is such a term.
Its not a war anyway. Its invasion. Pure and simple.
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*Originally posted by RashGuy: *
To all those people who are opposing war I would like to ask you one question
Should Saddam continue as the dictator of Iraq and cause untold misery to his people?
Is there is any alternative to remove Saddam in a peaceful manner?
He can never be dislodged. If you let him be, it would only be a matter of time before he starts amassing WMD again!.
Hence the sooner he goes the better!
so why delay the inevitable
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I dont speak for the people who oppose the war, cuz I dont .. but my question to you first of all is .. Why do you care what he does to his people? Dont give me the crap that its some sorta humanitarian effort ... Ask this question "If Saddam is a threat to the US, should we remove him?" .. and you will get lotsa Yesss ... [but then you will have to prove he IS a threat to the US.. which in my (just my) opinion... is weak ... whats known is that asshole is abusing his people .. so lets grab that and go after him] ... But hey .. wait .. how many other dictators are left in this world .. someone remind me to ask the US govt to clean up a whole lota countries ... This world will be such a nice place to live in without these morons .. Thank you US for the cleanup efforts .. please continue the good work .. Dont stop at Iraq ...
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*Originally posted by Nadia_H: *
But the children of Iraq have rights. This is just my personal opinion, i might be wrong but - if the ruthless killer decides, for whatever egotistical reasons, not to leave Iraq, then that doesn't justify terror-targeting an entire country with "smart" bombs.
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Of course they have rights and these rights can only be given to them once Saddam is gone.
Their are bad people in this world and to fight these bad people, sometiems innocents will die. But that's life, sad as it maybe. To get rid of Hitler, they had to bomb German cities, but it was for a good cuase and saved many lives in the end.
Same analogy, even if Saddam may not be as evil as Hitler.
.. Why do you care what he does to his people?
In that same anology can I ask
why should the world care when Russia bombs the hell out of Chechnyan rebels!
why should the world care when Israel bombs the palestinians!
I dont speak for the people who oppose the war, cuz I dont .. but my question to you first of all is .. Why do you care what he does to his people? Dont give me the crap that its some sorta humanitarian effort ... Ask this question "If Saddam is a threat to the US, should we remove him?" .. and you will get lotsa Yesss ... [but then you will have to prove he IS a threat to the US.. which in my (just my) opinion... is weak ... whats known is that asshole is abusing his people .. so lets grab that and go after him] ... But hey .. wait .. how many other dictators are left in this world .. someone remind me to ask the US govt to clean up a whole lota countries ... This world will be such a nice place to live in without these morons .. Thank you US for the cleanup efforts .. please continue the good work .. Dont stop at Iraq ...
My point That is one of the good by products of the war. Iraqi people will be liberated. Make no mistake - this war is only about US interests. That is there for all to see.
What I am trying to say is that US is justified in doing so, since it does not want another 911.
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why should the world care when Israel bombs the palestinians!
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oooo .. did I touch some raw nerve here? Or did the truth just boil out by itself ... Read my views ... and you will see that you are just mumbling incoherent mumble jumble .. :-)
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What I am trying to say is that US is justified in doing so, since it does not want another 911.
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exactly ... now we are talking!
except that your Govt is lying .. I wish they were as clear as you are .. and stop their tactics at this very point .. Dont go in and say we are liberating Iraqis ...
Are you running for President any time soon? Count on my vote.
exactly ... now we are talking!
except that your Govt is lying .. I wish they were as clear as you are .. and stop their tactics at this very point .. Dont go in and say we are liberating Iraqis ...
Are you running for President any time soon? Count on my vote.
What my government is saying that Iraq has not complied with all the resolutions of the UN.
Let me ask you a straight question
Do you (as in Azkar Choudhry) beleive that Iraq has complied with the UN resolutions.
I rest my case whatever maybe your reply!
oooo .. did I touch some raw nerve here? Or did the truth just boil out by itself ... Read my views ... and you will see that you are just mumbling incoherent mumble jumble .. :-)
Well well who touched whose nerve here...
Why did you leave out the Russians
Since they are against the war!
wah what logic!
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*Originally posted by RashGuy: *
What my government is saying that Iraq has not complied with all the resolutions of the UN.
Let me ask you a straight question
Do you (as in Azkar Choudhry) beleive that Iraq has complied with the UN resolutions.
I rest my case whatever maybe your reply!
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yeah azkar..damn it, Iraq has not comlied with UN resolutions so we are gonna go kick their ass even if UN says no.. :D
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*Originally posted by Azkar Choudhry: *
aaah .. my friend .. thats the only good hope US leaders have ... this will justify their war ... they are praying that asshole make such an attempt ... US troops are very well prepared against such threats ...
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Azkar, I hope they do not use chemical weapons, if it makes the U.S. look bad so be it. In another matter there are reports that Saddam has flooded parts of Iraq's desert floor with oil, unconfirmed but if true could you really trust this man who cares not what he hurts, whether it's the Iraqi people or the earth?
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Azkar, I hope they do not use chemical weapons, if it makes the U.S. look bad so be it.
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Amin ..
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could you really trust this man who cares not what he hurts, whether it's the Iraqi people or the earth?
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I dont trust him for second ... if you read my posts I dont even question that he should not remain in power ... My presense in these forums is just the frustration that we are being mislead by the govt ... they are going in advertising the wrong reasons .. they fear that if they expose the real truth, THEY will be held liable and THEY will look more bad than him[SH] .. Only the US knows he got some weapons left from the iran-iraq war which the US provided ... and he may have polished the rusting cores of some of the weapons .. US would like to go in and 1)finish the job 2)make way for further 'humanitarian' efforts in Iran .. afterall, they[irani people] are also suffering .. and mark my words ... in no time after this war, you will start hearing ... ** the real (real) enemy is Iran** .... and who knows whos after that .. Pakistan?
Hard to believe or swallow? We are here .. and if this forum is not shutdown by the authorities, this post will remain as an evidence ... :-)
Azkar, Saddam was roughly 6-8 months away from having a nuclear bomb when the world went to war with him back in 1991. I think you underestimate his willingness and efforts to create WMD. As far as what happens after the war who knows. A question that will be asked is why Iran is building a nuclear power plant as they sit atop vast oil fields.
Pakistan has been a vital partner on the war on terror and now shares a common interest with the U.S. and that is stability. While the billions of American tax dollars may not cause the Pakistani people to trust the United States, time hopefully will.
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A question that will be asked is why Iran is building a nuclear power plant as they sit atop vast oil fields.
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:-) .. U make my day... A question may be asked 'Why does Israel has Nukes?' .. the answer would be 'its national defense ... its surrounded by enemies all around’ ... Same is true for Iran .. they got no friends .. research my words .. they[iran] got no friends ... so, why cant THEY have nukes (if they are moving ahead with the program) ... Hey .. if US wants to be a policeman, don’t let it discriminate ... All the more power to the law enforcer ... a just and impartial law enforcer ...
Here is my one liner: ** the ONLY reason US is going after IRAQ is that they [US] believe Iraq has either aided the terrorits or will aid them against US** ... if this is true, I am 1000% with the forces ... But as I have said earlier ... evidence is weak .. very weak ... US govt should have focused on this point ONLY .. thats their ONLY justification to go for war .. Going in to liberate the[iraqi] people .. my ass ....
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A question that will be asked is why Iran is building a nuclear power plant as they sit atop vast oil fields.
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Oh another point ... Why do you have savings accounts? And IRA and those old-age funds? You know one day you will run out of the capacity to make more money .. You are saving for those rainy days ... Is it not conceivable that Iran is planning for the future? Why do they have to start at the 11th hour? Why do US maintain the strategic oil reserves while it can help the soaring oil prices? Why does US depends on foreign oil while it can dig through BILLIONs of barrels on its own soil? Planning .. Planning, my friend .. When the oil reserves in the world are depleted, US will dig the wells and use it or sell it at higher rates than GOLD!!!
fair?
Iran currently supports terror organizations, that's the worry about Iran having nukes, Iran also signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel, like Pakistan never did so. Perhaps talk of disarming Israel can come when security for them is reached, when well funded terror organizations, some sponsored by countries, aren't attacking them and calling for the their destruction.
I think the first and foremost reason the U.S. is going after Saddam is to assure the Saddam regime doesn't have the chance to pass off WMD to a terror org. A side effect of this action, as I stated before, is the freeing of Iraq, this is just a side effect, and not the reason for the war, but not to point that out I believe would be foolish of the U.S. it is after all a good thing, no?
And remember the U.S. is allowing Saddam to choose his fate, stay and the U.S. comes in, or leave and the UN takes over.
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Oh another point ... Why do you have savings accounts? And IRA and those old-age funds? You know one day you will run out of the capacity to make more money .. You are saving for those rainy days ... Is it not conceivable that Iran is planning for the future? Why do they have to start at the 11th hour? Why do US maintain the strategic oil reserves while it can help the soaring oil prices? Why does US depends on foreign oil while it can dig through BILLIONs of barrels on its own soil? Planning .. Planning, my friend .. When the oil reserves in the world are depleted, US will dig the wells and use it or sell it at higher rates than GOLD!!!
fair?
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I disagree, Iran has enough oil to last at least 50 years, and by then hydrogen power will be the source of energy not dirty and dangerous nuclear power.
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and if this forum is not shutdown by the authorities, this post will remain as an evidence ... :-)
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If that ever happened you could always create www.gupshup.org .....unless that domain has been taken. ;)