Could this be tried in Pakistan?

Do we have something similar to this already? If not, is it feasible? Pros and cons? i would like this thread to stay in this Forum b/c i am more interested for a discussion upon how this could be applied to Pakistan. Going under the assumption that homeless people, or street dwellers, are not included in the official census stats, right? Without proof of a fixed residence/official source of income, are they allowed in Pakistan to open up a bank account?

Constructive thoughts/criticisms - most welcome. Please keep arguments out.

Banking for the Brazilian homeless, Isabel Murray, BBC, 18 September 2003

In Brazil, street dwellers have achieved a victory in the fight against social exclusion - they can now have bank accounts.

Neuza Maria Magalhaes, who is 42 years old, does not have a home or a proper job. In order to survive she collects rubbish and sleeps in the streets, which means that officially she does not exist.

The Brazilian government department that is responsible for the task of population census does not include street dwellers. In spite of this, these people play a role in the informal economy. The great majority of them collect paper, aluminium, iron and other recyclable materials.

The everyday sight of junk collectors, with their carts and their dogs is a part of the Brazilian urban landscape. Up until now these people had never been able to have a bank account.

But the situation changed recently when a major Brazilian banking institution created a simplified account that does not require proof of address or of income, and Neuza is one of those who is enjoying this novelty. “I make between 20 reais (£4) and 50 reais (£10) a day, it varies a lot,” says Neuza. "When I was in the street, I wasn’t able to keep anything. I’d buy a little gas stove to keep in my cart, and a gas canister, but people used to steal them.

“Now, I put my money in the bank,” she adds, with a big grin, showing her ATM bank card, which she does not even know how to use yet.

The bureaucracy-free account is already a success. When it was launched in May, the expectation was that a total of 500,000 accounts would be opened across the whole country by the end of the year. This number was reached at the end of August.

“Research has shown for some time that there are around 25 million families that have no access to the financial system, no access to credit,” explains Jorge Matoso, president of Caixa Economica Federal, the bank that is behind the scheme to encourage the social inclusion of street dwellers. “This translates into a very large number of people, something like 50 million Brazilians who could have access to the formal banking system, but didn’t,” he adds.

“As well as not having any fixed address, a large number of those who are economically active in Brazil work on an informal basis, and thus have no proof of income.”

Luiz Fabio is 28 years old and has been collecting rubbish for recycling for five years now. Unlike most of the junk collectors, who have dogs as pets, Luiz has a rabbit called Wilbur.

He says he felt discriminated against because he didn’t have a bank account, and that beforehand he had to hide his money inside his clothes, as he was always afraid of being robbed.

Now, that he can save money, he is able to make some modest plans for the future.

“My aim is to rent a small house, furnish it, and have a little corner of my own, where I can live and be a member of society. Both me and my rabbit,” says Luiz, affectionately stroking Wilbur.

There is no single cause that leads people to end up living in the streets.

Among the various reasons are unemployment, alcoholism, drug addiction, mental health problems, abandonment and family disagreements. Getting a bank account seems to represent a way out for rubbish collectors looking for a better life.

“Everything’s improved because now I can save money, and maybe a few days from now I can get off the streets, rent a home and have a family, you know,” says 22 year-old Marcio Ferreira Batista, with a smile. “That’s my dream, to have a family of my own.”

Neuza, who has lived in the streets for as long as she can remember, and to whom basic necessities are a luxury, has the same idea.

“Now that I have somewhere to keep my money, maybe I will be able to rent an apartment, one that has water and electricity,” she says, hopefully.

well pakistan is very backward and is a poor country itself so lets not pick on it. in my humble opinion, can this be tried in CANADA? a very tolerated and liberal country. :)

the thing that amazes me the most is this that whenever something happens in a country, ppl don't waste a single second to raise their voice in knowing whether this , that, can be done / implemented / introduced in pakistan or no. why don't you worry about the country you are in rite now. its obvious that you are in a better country than pakistam so lets see how they will react to that new element. pakistan is a backward country so leave it for the end :)

Nadia, thank you for sharing such an interesting article. As far as I know, I dont think, we have an ongoing similar program at the moment in our land of pure. However, I do believe, that if we ever decide to adopt something like it, we can adopt a Grameen bank formula. What I have read about this Bangladeshi bank, from different sources, is that they not only open bank accounts for the poor or homeless people, but also provide loans without any gurantees, to the needy people, so that they can start their own business...

Thank you so much for your kind reply, Zulfi. oh yes, the Grameen bank! i was wondering about that after i posted this thread… that was a really excellent initiative. :k: But that was started quite a while ago if i am not mistaken in Bangladesh; why hasn’t the Pakistani govt. studied the merits/demerits of that programme and tried to implement something similar (with any necessary modifications obviously) in Pakistan? Itnay saal tau ho gayen hain since the Grameen project started.

Surely something like this could be extremely beneficial, i think… we have an example from Bangladesh, and now one from Brazil; we could study both projects, see where they went wrong and where they went right, and emulate it - with any necessary tweaking to suit our environment - and implement it in our country. Think of how much good it could do, potentially, Insha’Allah, for the millions of street dwellers. Just thinking about that - i can’t help but wonder why something like this hasn’t been implemented, or at least discussed by the government?.. :confused:

Nadia: Pakistan has something similar to Garmeen, the Khushali Bank. It targetted areas according to poverty and is supposed to have been fairly successful. Doesn't though compare to the success of Grameen though. Pakistan's unoffical economy is far larger than most other Nations so a scheme like this is worth considering. After all New ideas are an unfortunate scarcity in Pakistan ;)