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Oh very. Perhaps you'd like it if PA had lifted some 12 year old paper of a grad student and called it 'Intelligence'??
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Are you talking about yourself in third person? j/k
PA, would you call this quote from OBL & Co “purely political”?
Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders issued in February 1998 by the World Islamic Front
"The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies – civilians and military – is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty Allah, “and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together,” and “fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah.”
It is the extremists that are putting the religous angle on this war against the west, not the other way around. No one else is using God as justification for political causes.
I realize that it is only a small minority of Muslims that take this crap seriously, I never meant to imply that it is widespread in the “Muslim World”. But again, it is Muslims that are trying to isolate themselves into a monolithic Muslim world by claiming that Islam is a “way of life” that is incompatible with western culture - ummah this, khalifah that, sharia here, banning of Valentines Day there…
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PA, would you call this quote from OBL & Co "purely political"?
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since OBL & Co arent' registered with the Islamic Ummah as bonafide sources for issuing Fatwas I'd be compelled to say yes.
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It is the extremists that are putting the religous angle on this war against the west, not the other way around. No one else is using God as justification for political causes.
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what extremists and what war?? a handful of acts of terrorism around the world do not a war against the west make.
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But again, it is Muslims that are trying to isolate themselves into a monolithic Muslim world by claiming that Islam is a "way of life" that is incompatible with western culture - ummah this, khalifah that, sharia here, banning of Valentines Day there....
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It's always been claimed that Islam is a way of life, it's not a new concept. Islam is not incompatible with the Western Culture.. aren't there 6 million muslims in the USA and several other million throughout Europe?
The cultures where Islam is in a majority find themselves at odds with Western norms. Heck most of the Islamic countries find themselves at odds with other Islamic countries in terms of the prevailing culture. Religion is only added to the mix to make it look like a Clash of Civilizations. To find out who's doing it, just go back to determining who is benefiting the most from such a scheme.
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since OBL & Co arent' registered with the Islamic Ummah as bonafide sources for issuing Fatwas I'd be compelled to say yes.
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Somebody better tell OBL & Co, they don't agree.
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what extremists and what war?? a handful of acts of terrorism around the world do not a war against the west make.
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OK. Let's keep things status quo. Yesterday WTC and the Pentagon. Tomorrow dirty bombs in LA. If we sit around and let them continue, it will be a full scale war.
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It's always been claimed that Islam is a way of life, it's not a new concept. Islam is not incompatible with the Western Culture.. aren't there 6 million muslims in the USA and several other million throughout Europe?
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Again, somebody needs to tell the governments of most majority Muslim nations that discriminate against non-Muslims and forbid non-Muslim activities.
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The cultures where Islam is in a majority find themselves at odds with Western norms. Heck most of the Islamic countries find themselves at odds with other Islamic countries in terms of the prevailing culture. Religion is only added to the mix to make it look like a Clash of Civilizations. To find out who's doing it, just go back to determining who is benefiting the most from such a scheme.
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No other world-wide religion that I know of (outside of Judiasm) puts so much emphasis on the unity of all people under one religous umbrella. If Christians used 10% of the talk of "uniting Christians" around the world as a global force as Muslims do, we'd have kinds of jumping up and down regarding the evil crusaders.
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Again, somebody needs to tell the governments of most majority Muslim nations that discriminate against non-Muslims and forbid non-Muslim activities..
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yeah but those govts dont let anyone do what they want, no matter which religion..case in point saudi arabia. as long as you are completely aligned with teh govt line, u are fine, a little difference and you are in trouble.
They are absolute horrid dictators, and if there are representative govts there, things would be better not only for the non muslims but also for the muslims living there.
PA:
Unfortunately, I don’t know where to check out whether those who proclaim fatwas are “registered” . But, I’ve found some disturbing ones issued by some pretty impressive sounding people. How about Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, a member of the Palestinian Authority’s Fatwa Council and former acting Rector of the Islamic University in Gaza.
He’s the guy who called for Israelis to be humiliated, tortured, and butchered wherever found.
Here’s a little quote I found from him:
“Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Americans who are like them.”
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=4955
Check out some of the other fatwahs listed on that site. I wonder if these are “mainstream.”
One thing's for sure. It's clear that anti-american sentiments are widespread in "mainstream Islam". The only exception seems to be the small percentage of of Muslims that live here in the US.
It will not be a surprise if mossad does get convicted of this...since there earlier escapades have earned them alot of distrust and negativity from the europeans and middle eastern nations. On the other hand PLO hasnt exactly been saints either.......and have a proven history of forging evidence. Such a royal mess.......its all hopeless.