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Originally posted by wasir:
Brothers...
Why do you strain yourself
just check how Prophet(peace be upon him and his family) used to do Wadu when he was at home.
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Never mind how Prophet did Wudhu, that's not what we are supposed to follow. Wudhu is clearly mentioned in Quran and that's the only way for all, including the Prophet and every one else.
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Originally posted by Pagluu:
** Sorry bro, those were not my words. That is what "sahi-sitta" report of 2nd Khalifa saying.
Bukhari insulted the 2nd khalifa. Not me.
**
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I really liked that Pagluu. But they will never learn. See this is the difference between ignorance and stupidity. Ignorance is when one lacks knowledge. We're all ignorant in one way or another. But stupidity is when one is presented facts and knowledge and then refuses to accept those facts. This is what is happening here with the Sunnis.
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Originally posted by Salman:
**
I really liked that Pagluu. But they will never learn. See this is the difference between ignorance and stupidity. Ignorance is when one lacks knowledge. We're all ignorant in one way or another. But stupidity is when one is presented facts and knowledge and then refuses to accept those facts. This is what is happening here with the Sunnis.**
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when you know that Sunnis will 'never learn' then you came here just to fight and teach them how to make wudu?
and Mr Pagluu had to drag the saying of Hazrat Omer (RA) for anyother reason than mud-slinging?
Question for mullah doPiazza:
How do you perform 'salat'? Can you give me a reference so I don't have to follow Prophet PBUH for 'salat' too?
Question for Mr a1shah:
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*... and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles ...
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So we are supposed to 'wipe' our feet and head, according to this ayat our hands do not have to be wet either right?
How did Hazrat Ali (RA) perform wudu, would you please enlighten me?
We oughta be Changez like, don't we?
Stick to the topic. You guys are being warned.
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Originally posted by Changez_like:
**
Question for Mr a1shah:
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*... and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles ...
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So we are supposed to 'wipe' our feet and head, according to this ayat our hands do not have to be wet either right?
How did Hazrat Ali (RA) perform wudu, would you please enlighten me?
**
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Changez,
After you wash your face and hands (with water), use your wet hands (without using anymore water) to wipe your head. Then, while your hands are still wet, use your right hand to wipe your right foot, and your left hand to wipe your left foot.
This is the wudhu, as taught to us by our holy imams (as). This is the sunnah of the holy prophet (pbuh), and in conformance with the holy qur'an.
ws
Ha..Ha bro Do piaza
Your answer is really funny.
Prophet(peace be upon him and his family) is a practical picture of Quranic teachings.
Would he do anything against Quran?
no not at all......we can be wrong in understanding Quran by just reading its English translation not him who taught us that Book.
He washed his feet during Wadhu all his life.
And a logical question....
Why do we do Wadhu?
So that we don't make our mosques filthy and also don't smell badly which would be troublesome for other Muslims in the mosque....
Now tell me one thing..... face and arms always get less dirty as compared to our feet...especially in hot coutnries like Arab and Pakistan if you wear shoes for half an hour your feet will stink....
Now arms and face are washed which don't stink but feet which really need to be washed are just wiped...would their smell and dirt go away by just wiping
Now we go into the mosque make it filty and trouble other brothers by smell
Where has the logic of cleanliness and purification of Wadhu gone
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Originally posted by Mullah_DoPiazza:
** Never mind how Prophet did Wudhu, that's not what we are supposed to follow. Wudhu is clearly mentioned in Quran and that's the only way for all, including the Prophet and every one else.
**
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Its when ordinary people like you who come up with their own theories is how innovations came about into Islam.
Stick to what Allah (swt) and his holy prophet (pbuh) have ordered us to do.
Have you even attempted to interpret the Arabic meaning of the ayat ?
ws
Dear bro...
First I said that we shouls see how Prophet(peace be upon him and his family) used to do Wadhu in his Life.......
I got an answer from Dopiaza which you can read above.
Secondly we Sunnis don't base our faith on any logical decisions but still its branch of Uloom which is called Mantaq in Arabic.
We only use this knowledge to make others understand something.
Now re-read my question and just answer simple logical question
If We have to wash face and arms why shouldn't we wash our feet which need more clealiness as compared to face and arms.
And Wadhu is all about cleaning yourself.
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Originally posted by a1shah:
**Its when ordinary people like you who come up with their own theories is how innovations came about into Islam.
Stick to what Allah (swt) and his holy prophet (pbuh) have ordered us to do.
Have you even attempted to interpret the Arabic meaning of the ayat ?
ws**
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Originally posted by a1shah:
**Its when ordinary people like you who come up with their own theories is how innovations came about into Islam.
Stick to what Allah (swt) and his holy prophet (pbuh) have ordered us to do.
Have you even attempted to interpret the Arabic meaning of the ayat ?
ws**
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Can you please tell me how Allah ordered us to pray our 'salaat' from Quran?
and how Prophet PBUH (as we know prayed) and Hazrat Ali (RA) prayed?
We oughta be Changez like, don't we?
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Originally posted by wasir:
**Ha..Ha bro Do piaza
Your answer is really funny.
Prophet(peace be upon him and his family) is a practical picture of Quranic teachings.
Where has the logic of cleanliness and purification of Wadhu gone
**
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Funny? In what way? I was neither in a "river of wine" nor was I with a "Hoor", when I wrote that. I think you should just go back and read how Quran describes this act of cleaning called 'wudhu' should be performed and don't add anything to it.
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In CORNER, while discussing about “porno movies”, Mr Mulla responds:
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So now do we have to respond to his “religious” messages??
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif
having seen his concepts
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/frown.gif
We oughta be Changez like, don’t we?
If you don’t understand my concepts, that’s fine with me.
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Originally posted by Mullah_DoPiazza:
.........man made veil of religion.
**
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DO you mean that religion is man made??
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Originally posted by wasir:
**Dear bro...
First I said that we should see how Prophet(peace be upon him and his family) used to do Wadhu in his Life.......
I got an answer from Dopiaza which you can read above.
Secondly we Sunnis don't base our faith on any logical decisions but still its branch of Uloom which is called Mantaq in Arabic.
We only use this knowledge to make others understand something.
Now re-read my question and just answer simple logical question
If We have to wash face and arms why shouldn't we wash our feet which need more clealiness as compared to face and arms.
And Wadhu is all about cleaning yourself.
**
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by bringing your own logic is not very encouraging it could lead to innovations..
I dont know why you mentioned stinky feet and smelly body maybe to prove what also needs to cleaned but we can always perform ghusl right
well if you can “purify” yourself by tayammum(yes your feet will still “stink”) then I dont think so wiping your feet is an issue here
There are other parts of the body which needs more maintanance than feet,armms face etc but is not part of the wudhu.why not?.. its a matter of following the right way which allah prescribed for us
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif
[This message has been edited by sherrybaba (edited July 24, 2001).]
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Originally posted by wasir:
**Dear bro...
Secondly we Sunnis don't base our faith on any logical decisions but still its branch of Uloom which is called Mantaq in Arabic.
We only use this knowledge to make others understand something.
Now re-read my question and just answer simple logical question
If We have to wash face and arms why shouldn't we wash our feet which need more clealiness as compared to face and arms.
And Wadhu is all about cleaning yourself.
**
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Allah (swt) says in his book:
"Lo! We have appointed it a Lecture in Arabic that haply ye may understand. And Lo! in the Source of Decrees, which We possess, it is indeed sublime, decisive." (Common comprehension cannot understand it or penetrate into it.) (Quran, XLIII, 3-4).
He (swt) also says, "That (this) is indeed a noble Quran, In a book kept hidden, Which none toucheth save the purified" (Quran, LVI, 77-79).
Concerning the Prophet and his Household he says, "Allah's wish is but to remove uncleanness far from you, O Folk of the Household, and cleanse you with a thorough cleansing" (Quran, XXXIII, 33).
As proved by these verses, the Holy Quran emanates from sources beyond the comprehension of common man.
No one can have a full comprehension of the Quran save those servants of God whom He has chosen to purify. And the Household of the Prophet are among those pure beings.
ws
I don’t know why do you go so deep.
As I said we Sunnis don’t base our faith on Mantaq. I just asked a general question which clicked in my minde I am not going to use it to invent anything.
Bro Sherry…I am not talking about specific conditions I am talking about Wadhu in general terms.
Teyyamum comes under specific circumstances.
You can do Masah on your feet without even taking your Mozay(Leather Socks) off with specific conditions while you are travelling.
Secondly just check how Prophet(peace be upon him and his family) used to do while he was at home.
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Originally posted by a1shah:
Allah (swt) says in his book:
"Lo! We have appointed it a Lecture in Arabic that haply ye may understand. And Lo! in the Source of Decrees, which We possess, it is indeed sublime, decisive." (Common comprehension cannot understand it or penetrate into it.) (Quran, XLIII, 3-4).
Ibrahim says; salaams to all
One has to be very careful at the kind of translations our shia brothers and sisters are prone to use…they mostly seem to give a varying interpretation of the Qur’an or will splice into a verse to get different meaning.
So let us look at the above verse again
Yusuf Ali We have made it a Qur'an in Arabic that ye may be able to understand (and learn wisdom).
Pickthall Lo! We have appointed it a Lecture in Arabic that haply ye may understand.
Yusuf Ali And verily it is in the Mother of the Book in Our Presence high (in dignity) full of wisdom.
Pickthall And lo! in the Source of Decrees, which We possess, it is indeed sublime, decisive,
Ibrahim says: Although a1saha is quoting the pickthall translation he has added in his own words at the bottom which reads (Common comprehension cannot understand it or penetrate into it.)
This is why some shias become untrustworthy
A1shah says: Concerning the Prophet and his Household he says, "Allah's wish is but to remove uncleanness far from you, O Folk of the Household, and cleanse you with a thorough cleansing" (Quran, XXXIII, 33).
Ibrahim says: Again this verse is being quoted out of context and splice into to bring about that interpretation…
Lets compare what it says surah 33:33
Yusuf Ali And stay quietly in your houses and make not a dazzling display like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Apostle. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you ye Members of the Family and to make you pure and spotless.
Pickthall And stay in your houses. Bedizen not yourselves with the bedizenment of the Time of ignorance. Be regular in prayer, and pay the poor due, and obey Allah and His messenger. Allah's wish is but to remove uncleanness far from you, O Folk of the Household, and cleanse you with a thorough cleansing.
Hence what a1shah is trying to do is split the Quranic verse and try to convey that it has more to do with Ahle bait (shia ) only.
Aishah says : As proved by these verses, the Holy Quran emanates from sources beyond the comprehension of common man.
Ibrahim says this is addressed in surah 3:7
Iqra
Yusuf Ali He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: in it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. ** But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical seeking discord and searching for its hidden meanings but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah ** and those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord"; and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
A1shah says: No one can have a full comprehension of the Quran save those servants of God whom He has chosen to purify. And the Household of the Prophet are among those pure beings.
Ibrahim says: This where a1shah tries to convey that his 12 imams are infallible not realizing that most of them were removed from this planet by unnatural deaths and the last disappeared at the age of five.
It had become an obsession for shias to try an talk about their imams , even though they have gone against the Qur’an and authorized
Taqiyah =lying
Muta=zina
Matam=extremism and promoting hate
Here itself in this thread which is about wudu, a1shah wanted to proof that shias were doing it the correct way by just wiping their toes and front instead of washing the leg up to the ankle, which is what the Qur’an authorizes and shias fail to do becuse they believe it is only needed to wipe the feet and not wash the feet.
It is on account of such practices Islam does not consider shi’ism a madhab even.
WS.
[This message has been edited by Ibrahim (edited July 25, 2001).]