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This story of erratic wisdom – often narrated with a backdrop of a Muslim kid is sometimes attributed to Abdul Kalam (President of India).
Don’t know the authenticity of it but t’s a rather well known conjectural debate piece against atheism.
indians are smart. so must be him.
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well, dont you have these kinda conversations with any of you students (not necessarily in the big lecture halls) but still? 
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dont know about indianz :halo:
but if you are an indian, uncle tut tut 
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why r u so hell bent on students having discussions or conversations with their teachers on issues like these? i mean come on…who will discuss with his IT teacher wht kind of PC jesus had or what was more dear to moses, blackberry or motorola Q? :halo:
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i’m pakistani so ur tut tut is absolutely spot on 
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cuz its the real challenge.
see in practical life there is nothing like what we get taught in schools. so i challenge my teachers, and they challenge me.
i really wana comment on umer uncles way of teaching, but yeh mujhay bhut daantay gain 
(but i will 
)
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u are all challenged … so happy?.. 
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^ bery phunny 
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well, dont you have these kinda conversations with any of you students (not necessarily in the big lecture halls) but still?
Not to the same extent – partly because the subject matter I’m usually dealing with doesn’t quite offer the variety or the opportunity to engage in such prolific discussions. This is not to say that I don’t like a debate… I do occasionally stir one myself especially when we have topics surrounding business ethics and such.
i really wana comment on umer uncles way of teaching, but yeh mujhay bhut daantay gain (but i will )
You’re most welcome to do so but for that you’ll have to drop by in a couple of my lectures or seminars. Otherwise, your opinion may just be curtailed by what you know of my style through my interactions online.
see in practical life there is nothing like what we get taught in schools…
You’re entitled to your opinion but tell me again, how many years of practical experience have you had outside of school? The link between school and your life outside of school is really a cybernetic one… one aspect informs the other through a feedback loop of sorts, and you can’t discount either one. Tis all good though… we all pass through this phase of life where we have a concise and snapshot view of the world – mostly through second hand information through books and other people’s experiences… fortunately I can smile as I say it cuz it wasn’t too long ago for me.
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oooo…zobia is in trouble.
as for me..i agree with everything said by uncle teacher… :k:
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^ naah - like I said... she's entitled to her opinion.
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bach gaye…n here i thought a C or D was coming her way… 
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apki kia hi baat hai…tuseen ho banday vakhri type de :k:
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as if this is some information
btw never ever say this, because then you giving out an impression that there is no point left in discussing anything.
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well here my focus was more towards students. i was more willing to know whether student actually come to you and talk/discuss anything. i actually find this a lot that we students tend to go away from our teachers. we never actually try to find out about our teachers. i personally think it is very necessary. our teachers put effort to read our minds, but in return why not we try to find out what brought our teachers to this level of excellence.
i personally get to know about my professor who actually never been to any university. but he is teaching Architectural Design at UFT. That was the first time actually i started seeking the importance of knowledge- and education (that we get).
first of all i dont think uncle you are actually some sarial uncle
atleast no teacher in canada is actually sarial.
they are fun loving people (well atleast all my teachers and professors, in fact they taught me how make my each moment, energetic )
but the problem i have is with this
to me its like enforcing students to memorize INFORMATION. And you know we students gonna come up with new ways to dodge our teachers (dunia idher ke udher hogeya, na hum perhain gain na likhain gain).
-so far the best way i think to actually make us learn something, is to give us X-chances to do the test/assignments/projects, iff teachers really want us to learn something. at least we will be fair with ourselves, with our teachers, and most importantly with ALLAH SWT.
-sorry to say, but i cant see current education is building any moral values in us. we are just getting learnt to be “Lakeer k fakeer”, with a zero sense of how to integrate knowledge we availed, into our real life (or vice versa)
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It really is up to students… I’ve had ones who are only interested in coming to class as a formality of their studentship, and then I have those who’re genuinely interested in learning and exploring. They’d come by office hours… just drop in sometimes to say hello… talk about their interests… inquire about opportunities etc. However, I can’t say that I’ve had many students who are interested in interaction for the sake of interaction – just to learn from my own personal and professional experiences. In part, this is due to the extremely demanding educational environment that they’re a part of.
That being said, I personally make it a point to convey some morsels and minutiae in my classes on a regular basis primarily founded upon things that I wish I would have known when I was in the shoes of my students. Among other things, I tell all my classes (sometimes to the point of mundane reverberation) how year 3 happens to be most important year in anyone’s undergraduate span… what they need to do in order to secure good reference letters from me and other professors etc.
You’ve only quoted part of my post from that thread (http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?p=5499135#post5499135) where I basically expressed how I treat students differently based on what stage of studies they’re in. I’ve seen far too many students fail to realize their potentials in later years just because they didn’t do things right early on. I’ve come up with my own scheme after multiple years of experience with students from different faculties and different courses.
Also, how is that particular scheme enforcing memorization?? if anything it is BUT enforcing memorization. Someone who’s good at memorization only needs to work hard near the exams to make it through the course – whereas this way, they need to work on ALL course components adequately to pass it. Again, I only do this for SOME of my courses in the freshman and sophomore years – primarily to get students to appreciate that coming to school is not just about reading books and memorizing concepts for the short term. They need to work with deadlines and deliverables and they need to participate in class. Afterall, this is how things work in the real world.
Once they start moving on to advance courses where they have at least identified their interests (albeit many times these are marginal interests), the evaluation parameters get more relaxed. By making it to this stage, they’ve shown their motivation and deserve to at least determine the types of things they’re interested in learning. At the first level, they do this by selecting their majors and courses… and I offer them another opportunity to customize their learning experiences by determining how they’d like to be graded.
I hope this makes some sense.
Our University system is far from ideal… I can say this because I was an undergraduate student myself only about 6 years ago and I still remember my frustrations and discontent on several matters… including among other things – not being able to go to the library and read what I want to read… not what the professor wants me to read. However, coming into the corporate workforce, and now on to the other side of the fence in academia, I realize some of the reasons why frameworks, parameters and boundaries are important in students’ lives for without those it’s difficult to provide guidance and build on best practices and not repeat mistakes from the past.
No one’s asking for “hundreds” of years of wandering… rather… it’s a matter of respecting life experiences of others who have something to offer by virtue of their rich encounters and lessons learnt. I for one always welcome the opportunity to talk to people… older or younger… who’ve been through something that I haven’t. I know you’re trying to do the same thing when you interact with your teachers at school… and in addition to being an admirable trait, it’s a very worthwhile endeavor in many ways! :k:
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Umar u are a teacher, zobia is a student, maybe even in your uni, issay murgha banao, maula bakhsh mein bhejta hoon :)
