agree wiuth teh first one, but the latter two are BS, how a person says something can nto be twisted to assume that its a copout.
Fighting extremism with yet more extremist means will never be fruitful, especially if it’s being done for a third country. Look at the state which musharraf is in himself. He has to surround himself with commandoes while taking guard of honor from the soldiers. He can’t even trust his own forces for that matter. Now, who is the biggest paper tiger of all 
And talk about hatred, look at some of the comments made by the shias, and it clearly shows how much ingrained hatred they have for the arabs and wahabis. How about going and shutting down imambargahs, and cracking down where the shia scholars profess hatred against the wahabis and arabs ? I have stated the obvious reasons behind this particular incident. When the bodies of the talibans soldiers were desecrated by the NA soldier at the Chamman border, there was an attack in retialiation on a shia mosque in Quetta. There was another one before that on the Hazara police recruits. You just cannot overlook the facts and negate them. The hatred; the revulsion will never go away, and time to time it will come back…
Outie, first of all shias talk about the family of Prophet Mohammad :saw: I didn’t know his family came from Argentina!!! Hatred on both sides needs to be eliminated. This attack in retaliation story is BS. Help me understand how an ethnic animosity got transformed into a sectarian one and made sense to you. Why for example did the people exacting revenge not make the NA soldiers the target of thier wrath? Because they are cowardly? Becasue they would rather slaughter unarmed people in prayer? After the recent attacks on the shias, they can attack tablighis for “retaliation” and you would understand? Would that be a fact that you cannot negate as well?
It's not just ethnic animosity. It's sectarian as well as ethnic, and the way allegiances are divided based on religious preferences, play a vital role. This has happened in the area which is in the proximity of Kandahar, the heartland of the talibans, and in a region where they have enjoyed very strong support, so the shia ethnic minority of quetta; the hazaras are deemed no different than the NA, and the shias who are supporting action within the tribal areas of Pakistan.
Which other group(s) do you think could be responsible ? please explain..
outlaw bhai, I still don't understand your theory. Are Northern Alliance people Shia? If they are, that's news to me. If not than how are the two incidents related?
AJ
I think the NA had more shia in it, and pakhtoons were mostly sunni, that kinda explains the wrestling match between Iran supporting NA and Pak supporting Pakhtoons that was being played out in Afghanistan for years.
Actually from my studies Hazara ethnic group that are different from Tajiks (NA) were the Shia majority. I might be wrong but I thought Jamiat-I-Islami that was chaired by Rabani and was like the face of political wings of NA when they took over Kabul.
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Spreading leaflets encouraging jihad and pie in the sky whims of khilafah rather than encouraging trade, education, tolerance - things which would actually be useful for a 3rd world country.
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Actually the muslim countries are 1st world in terms of resources, manpower and wealth.
they are 3rd world only in the system they have.
So calling for the system to be changed is a good thing not a bad thing.
Secondly pie in the sky is when you try to implement a man made system democracy on people who reject man made laws i.e muslims!
Hahahahah, when shias express contempt for the terrorists who kill and those responsible for spreading anti shia propaganda, we are the ones labeled as spreading hatred. You have to understand that the mindset of hatred and intolerance of other beliefs which leaves to terrorism is led by many wahabi groups.
And it seems, many of the deaths were a result of firing by FC and militia who panicked.
http://www.dawn.com/2004/03/04/top2.htm
And please outlaw, spare me the nonsense of this being in retaliation for anything that happened in afghanistan or whereever. The massacres of shiahs have been happening even before that and even in afghanistan they were started by your taliban.
For a non Muslim like me, can anyone explain what the difference between sunni and shiite is? Is it like the Protestant Catholic type of difference or something else? I just can't understand why such enmity came.
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What I don't understand is why are we still not seeing the army going and shutting down hate preaching madrassas and mosques? Even now, the printing presses of anti-shia terrorists are still printing out propoganda. All this is happening in open. The ISI had a huge role in creation of LeJ, but they can't shut them down?
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Continue your hate speech against our Pak Army. Than what
will you expect from Pak Gov. Mithaii. Or Halwaa.
Your tilt is more towards Iran than our country Pak.
very sad.
it could have been part of a worldwide terror attack, and it could be related to the bombings that happenned in karbala.
One of the attackers was captured in an injured state. we've yet to see what comes out of that and what he reveals, even though the information that will trickle down to the public might not even be true.
as a government spokesman was saying on TV though, the govt couldn't really have prevented it. How do you stop suicide bombers who are determined to do such things in such big crowds in a country like Pakistan which doesn't have comprehensive state machinery to enforce public security? Its next to impossible.
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Continue your hate speech against our Pak Army. Than what
will you expect from Pak Gov. Mithaii. Or Halwaa.
Your tilt is more towards Iran than our country Pak.
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I have been listening to your bakwaas in almost all forums. You are more irritating than A.R. Rehman. Baat to aisey karta hai jaisey naatu pehalwaan Musharraf ka right hand ho!
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For a non Muslim like me, can anyone explain what the difference between sunni and shiite is? Is it like the Protestant Catholic type of difference or something else? I just can't understand why such enmity came.
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Shia Sunni is not like Protestant Catholic.. It is like Jews and Christians.
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Continue your hate speech against our Pak Army. Than what
will you expect from Pak Gov. Mithaii. Or Halwaa.
Your tilt is more towards Iran than our country Pak.
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Again, the accusation of hate speech without proof. Tell me what if anything the army is doing to stop the monsters it created? For all I know ISI is still helping the terrorists. And where did you bring up Iran from?
What we are experiencing today is mere an outcome of two decades' stupidity of army's dumb generals. General Zia strengthened deobandi sunnis in Pakistan whom he needed desperately to remain in power. He himself was a devout Deobandi. In the whole 80s shia-sunni clashes has been the norm in Pakistan, especially in Karachi, and only after his death they went back to some extent. All extremists Sunni organistions like sipah-e-shaba, jhanigvi group and the taliban as well as are the creature of the army. Pkhtuns are mostly the followers of the deobandi sect and they abhor shias more than jews, and army's organizing them and giving them more power in the form taliban turned out to be a fatal error. But friends we are talking about the moron Generals of the Pakistan army who will never learn any lesson from their mistakes. These days the generals are showing their muscles in the south Waziristan, let's see what consequences it brings.
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And talk about hatred, look at some of the comments made by the shias, and it clearly shows how much ingrained hatred they have for the arabs and wahabis. How about going and shutting down imambargahs, and cracking down where the shia scholars profess hatred against the wahabis and arabs ?
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The formation of Shias' TNFJ was mere a response to Zia's partiality towards Deobandis. There would be no shia-sunni clashes in this country today if only Zia had not unleashed sunni terrorism.
Shawaiz, you are pashtun right? It's good to hear such honesty from you, either way.
^ This country Pakistan and its people are a bit of eigma for me. Pakistanis have a very bad habit of pretending and lying. We are encircled with many problems but we pretend as though they don't exist. Pakistan is also unique in this context that majority plays here the victim card. Sunnis, who make up almost 70% of Pakistan, tyrannize shia or ahmadis and pretend as if shias are suppressing them with the help of Iran. Punjabiyat has almost brought Pakistan to the brink of collapsing, but it's taboo to talk about it. Army has overthrown many elected governments that were elected by us, army has lost every war it fought, army has destroyed every democratic institution, but it still claim to be the saviour of Pakistan and the people of Pakistan do also revere their army, at least most of them. No doubt that most of our politicians are corrupt but everyone who has a minimum knowledge how democracy actually functions will never prefer a military rule over a corrupt but elected government. Today's Pakistan is divided between its ethnic groups and religious sects and this cleft is extending at a very horrendous speed. Please don't take me wrong, I've no grudge against any group but I also cannot overlook what is going on around me.
Well said, I disagree with nothing you have said.