Whether shias deserve this or not; mine or yours opinion does not matter much to either side, neither we are in a position to stop these atrocities, but we can ponder upon the causes at least, and look at the facts why these kind of massacres occur. This is the third one in Quetta within a span of one year, and clearly, the cause goes beyond the usual religious bigotry. It has to do a lot with the aftermath of war in Afghanistan, and ongoing activities in Southern Afghanistan, and in the tribal regions of Pakistan. When you have instability, and clearly defined allegiances based on religious preferences, and if the sunni pakhtoon majority is at a receiving end right across the border, then it is not surprising that the consequences would be felt in the neighboring areas of Pakistan such as this one- at least not to me..
well it surprises me as well that every FOB gets up and tries to become a patrion for the US..what’s wrong with disagreeing and pointing towards teh actual reasons..
you can sure have your opinion, but provide some facts since sipha-e-sahaba is all but finished..and why it keeps happening in quetta ? The reasons are quite obvious if you know the political, and ethnical structure of areas around quetta..and how the populous is closely linked with Afhanistan due to huge refugee population..
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Whether shias deserve this or not; mine or yours opinion does not matter much to either side, neither we are in a position to stop these atrocities, but we can ponder upon the causes at least, and look at the facts why these kind of massacres occur. This is the third one in Quetta within a span of one year, and clearly, the cause goes beyond the usual religious bigotry. It has to do a lot with the aftermath of war in Afghanistan, and ongoing activities in Southern Afghanistan, and in the tribal regions of Pakistan. When you have instability, and clearly defined allegiances based on religious preferences, and if the sunni pakhtoon majority is at a receiving end right across the border, then it is not surprising that the consequences would be felt in the neighboring areas of Pakistan such as this one- at least not to me..
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Why can't the same be said of the Iraqis, or the Afghans or the Palestinians or the Kashmiris? I am sorry but this is a dubious statement. In the first line you say our opinion does about whether they deserve it or not does not matter but then you ask us to look at the causes in an accusatory tone. What is even more disturbing is that you use the word Shias, not Hazaras, not Non Pukhtoon not any thing else just shias. Are Pakistani shias also guilty of bringing about these consequences? Tell me what the Iraqi shias have done to bring about the slaughter of 145 people on thier shoulders.
Hold on my friends.....
this indeed is sad event......i feel sorry for those killed..
but
why so quickly jump to conclusions...
this may be an act of lashr e jhangvi although i really doubt that...first of all......the group is almost dead now with all major leaders dead or captured...
2ndly ...why quetta...because it is close to afghanistan and india has vast interest in the area......india i think has a counselate there too..in qandhar....it was after the establishment of indian counselate that thses incidents started to happen...every other day a rocket blast the city.......may be we are very much biased that we quickely blame sunnis for all this...
i hate to say this at such moment but as some one has already pointed out...
so plz dont say that shias are the only target.....sunnis have been targeted by shiaz/terrorist too......terrorist/extremist are on both side..infact it is suni majority who are suffering the most.........i can name many famous aalims killed in such incidents....
i agree with outlaw.....
imdad ...grow up...
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Hold on my friends.....
this indeed is sad event......i feel sorry for those killed..
but
why so quickly jump to conclusions...
this may be an act of lashr e jhangvi although i really doubt that...first of all......the group is almost dead now with all major leaders dead or captured...
2ndly ...why quetta...because it is close to afghanistan and india has vast interest in the area......india i think has a counselate there too..in qandhar....it was after the establishment of indian counselate that thses incidents started to happen...every other day a rocket blast the city.......may be we are very much biased that we quickely blame sunnis for all this...
i hate to say this at such moment but as some one has already pointed out...
so plz dont say that shias are the only target.....sunnis have been targeted by shiaz/terrorist too......terrorist/extremist are on both side..infact it is suni majority who are suffering the most.........i can name many famous aalims killed in such incidents....
i agree with outlaw.....
imdad ...grow up...
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No offense, but your screen name is very disturbing - bao bihari ? Bihar is in India so you should have left the name there. It is indeed a very very sad for all the Pakistanis. Events like this one used to be a regular in late 80s and early 90s and badey tind (Nawaz Sharief) used to always blame RAW for everything. I remember in one of the incidents Sunnis had gunned down 28 shias over a small debate at a burial ground in Multan. Allah hum sabhi ko aqal de - Ameen.
Re: Re: Firing on Shiite Muslim worshippers , 22 killed
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Celebration is the wrong word here.
Outlaw I still remember the shia afghani who held a burnt Quran after his home was burned by the Taliban. How did the taliban treat them? the shia afghanis?
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Chhota Insaan, I don't remember such a filmi incident despite being 50% pakhtoon myself. Tu aajkal picture bahut dekh riya hai?
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Queero, how do you manage to say everything in one line always?
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Saadey Queer paji wadey kamaal de cheez hain! O tay Kerela wich bhangda kardey si. Onu ki Malayalam aandi ai?
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How about the shia allies who are launching attacks in the Southern portions of Afghanistan now in lieu with the operation being conducted in the tribal region by the cowardly Pakistani army..? Do you think in the right frame of mind that there won’t be any repercussions when our own forces are acting like a bunch of Zionists thugs decimating houses of our own people..? This is what you get, widespread anger, and acts of revenge blinded by hatred.
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The Pakistan Army needs to look out for it's own citizens not those who consider themselves Afghans who switch sides depending on how many dollars they get paid to defect by the yanks. Who gives a **** what the Zionist thugs do in Palestine, we don't need to mollycoddle morons who peddle religious bigotry and cause carnage in our lands on account of some Saudi ass-kissers.
This is utter madness, no where does Islam allow Muslims to carry out such hideous deeds.
As an indianv muslim this shia sunni divide is alien to me but iam kinda curious to know what fuels this hatred against the shias ?
though i must add here that its madness and has no place in this world
well extremo, I am talking about the low lives american ass kissers, yes the pakistani regime and its' army, who would now sell their own mothers to the americans if the price is right..protecting our own citizens..now that's a classy statement, where in the world an army blows up the houses of its own citizens..this has been happening in the tribal areas, aren't those people our fellow citizens ? this is a dangerous game which musharraf is playing, and he has gone too far, wait until when the americans leave pakistan in lurch again as soon as it becomes a spent bullet..if you are winning favors from the US, it's not that pakistan is overwhelmingly talented, it's because, we are talented in only one thing, which is to sell out..but these are the kind of reperscussions we will have to bear now and then..so what's all the fuss then..
When our own citizens are working against the national interests then yes the army should hit them hard. Why should America leaving make any difference to what we should be doing on our own accord?
If foreign fundos can't get shelter in Saudi Arabia why should we provide them with it?
nothing new
this has been happening since the death of Prophet (pbuh&up)..it won't stop anytime soon either..azadari of Imam Hussain (a.s.) will continue and there is no doubt bout that..these so called muslims can't do enough to stop it
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As an indianv muslim this shia sunni divide is alien to me but iam kinda curious to know what fuels this hatred against the shias ?
though i must add here that its madness and has no place in this world
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actually I'd like to hear both the Shia and Sunni versions of the story..
I agree this should be stopped and people should just let people live.
Although i was watching a TV show on PTV and the shia mulvi totally disorted the Quran in some parts.. so the differences do need to be discussed but not fought over.
Kabir
I thought there was some shia sunni tussle between idiots of each group in India recently too. Morons from each group will make religion an excuse whether it is murderous idiots like sipah e sahaba in pakistan or oppressive regimes like Iran's
well, next time if some fundo from waziristan whose house got leveled, walks into some federal building in islamabad and takes it down along with dozens of other people, then don't be surprised. It's expected, and it's not a matter of IF but only when..that's the kind of choice the regime has made, and now they have to live with it, and bear the consequences..be it for our ownselves or america..
well outlaw hopefully none of your family is working in that fed building or its vicinity then.
State has a right to punish criminals, whether it is in civil matters like burgulary opr white collar crime, or working against national interests.
I dont doubt that the idiotic tribals will retaliate against others and not just the govt, its kinda traditional for them to fight generation after generation like idiots because someone's great grand father killed someone's great grandfather's mujh.
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As an indianv muslim this shia sunni divide is alien to me but iam kinda curious to know what fuels this hatred against the shias ?
though i must add here that its madness and has no place in this world
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Are there any Shia-Sunni divisions among Indian Muslims?
What is the percentage of Shia/Sunnis in India?
I heard Lucknow has many Shias? Where else are they located?
outlaw prefers to let the fundo's do as they please, where do you think that would lead Pakistan too?
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No offense, but your screen name is very disturbing - bao bihari ? Bihar is in India so you should have left the name there. It is indeed a very very sad for all the Pakistanis. Events like this one used to be a regular in late 80s and early 90s and badey tind (Nawaz Sharief) used to always blame RAW for everything. I remember in one of the incidents Sunnis had gunned down 28 shias over a small debate at a burial ground in Multan. Allah hum sabhi ko aqal de - Ameen.
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Tumharee undrr racism and nasl parastee buhat ziadaa hee.
No further discussion with you. Pointless.