I know what you mean!
But as muslims we not allowed to mutilate so killing them is enough
^ so that means you're finally joining the jihad?
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M, I'd put that at about 25-30m, and yes.. especially if he were to get up and run with it (remember: we don't know the extent of his injuries, maybe he just tripped and broke his nose?)
You're seriously overestimating the capabilities of technology. Explosive detection devices are not something you can whip out, press a button and have an answer. They require training to manipulate, and while every Marine is a rifleman, not every Marine is an EOD tech expert. Like I said, not every unit carries such equipment, in fact very few do.
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Okay agree to disagree then.
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If you want to get more detailed on this, get more details. That clip shows next to nothing. Petition CNN for the rest. Submit a FOIA for the after action reports from that unit. Whatever, just keep in mind that at this moment we don't have all the details. In our free, democratic societies we like to think people are innocent until proven guilty. If you don't believe in that then what exactly are you arguing for?
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I am arguing for the sake of argument of course ;) Seriously though, I am not out for conviction but I am looking at it from the military hirearchy and the commanders point of view. They would perhaps want to temper the over zealousness of thier riflemen especially with the cameras rolling
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^ so that means you're finally joining the jihad?
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I doubt you even know what the word means!
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Sickening footage. Shows you the mind set of the so called well trained professional army. These marines are nothing but savages. If they can do this with CNN taping and interviewing them, then God knows what is happening when the media is not around. I now completely understand the Iraqi resistance.
Ashamed to be an American. The loser today was mankind once again. I will now never believe anything a marine ever says. They are taught to be mindless killers, and that is what this video shows. Brain washed cowards with guns.
If improper conduct was employed, those responsible should be severely punished.
Now to the veracity of this video clip. This section was pulled from a larger montage of "sound bites" After having seen the transcript of the show this seems to be the case.
There is a dissolve from the wide shot of the man on the ground to the medium or closer shot of him where he is shot fatally I presume. How much time passed in between and what happened is anyone's guess.
The pan back to the soldier looks legit though it's not hard to fake that. This soldier is not cheering or reacting in any way that can be described as celebratory. The audio of cheering may easily have been dubbed under this bit of picture. The reason I believe this could be a strong possibility is the next clip of the soldier saying "awesome, let's do it again" is clearly taken from someother time and place (and probably some other context) and edited right on the heels ot the poor ******* who got shot. (See "Bowling for Columbine") There was some clear intent as to the message the reporter was attempting to convey.
Surely brutality will happen in a war, but don't believe all the video you see tells the thruth.
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If improper conduct was employed, those responsible should be severely punished.
Now to the veracity of this video clip. This section was pulled from a larger montage of "sound bites" After having seen the transcript of the show this seems to be the case.
There is a dissolve from the wide shot of the man on the ground to the medium or closer shot of him where he is shot fatally I presume. How much time passed in between and what happened is anyone's guess.
The pan back to the soldier looks legit though it's not hard to fake that. This soldier is not cheering or reacting in any way that can be described as celebratory. The audio of cheering may easily have been dubbed under this bit of picture. The reason I believe this could be a strong possibility is the next clip of the soldier saying "awesome, let's do it again" is clearly taken from someother time and place (and probably some other context) and edited right on the heels ot the poor ******* who got shot. (See "Bowling for Columbine") There was some clear intent as to the message the reporter was attempting to convey.
Surely brutality will happen in a war, but don't believe all the video you see tells the thruth.
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I saw it too, the cheering could have been dubbed. Even if they wanted to kill a injured soldier, and then cheer, they are not so stupid to do it infront of a camera.
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originally posted by spoon *... Whatever, just keep in mind that at this moment we don't have all the details. In our free, democratic societies we like to think people are innocent until proven guilty. ...
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Agree we don't have all the details. Wish "our free democratic societies" would apply "innocent until proven guilty" to the hundreds of Muslims arrested in USA and also in UK. At the moment the clear picture that has emerged is Muslims are fair game and hang the "innocent until proven guilty" fairy tale. It seems about 99% of those few who have actually been put on trial (the rest are rotting in jails without even being accused!) have been found NOT GUILTY.
I'm all for getting rid of those who shoot and kill civilians. What most of us are against are the DOUBLE standards and hypocrisy of the democratic regimes.
...and to think these guys claim US soldiers try to avoid the death of the innocent civilians at all times. I think not. Trigger happy more like it. Those defending the soldiers are no better.
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Exactly. This is a sickening video, and one that truly demonstrates the brutality being carried out by the occupying American soldiers - so like Vietnam.
Of course if American extremists are going to claim this video was in anyway doctored, then was that the same argument was being used by the other side when all those very conveniant videos were being found at opportune times in Afghanistan.
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Of course if American extremists are going to claim this video was in anyway doctored..
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Not doctored...edited. Send me your home movies. I can make you a hero, villain, insinuate that you are gay, a bigot...whatever you want. I've been editing film for a living for 13 years.
One thing is for sure someone got shot, and the soldier with the gun seems to have done it. Nothing else can be known. Based on the intentional edit of the one Gomer Pyle and his "awesome" comment (the context of which seems very questionable.) I will say again, punish severely those who commit crimes in war and this shooting definitely doesn't look like it had to happen.
However, those of you who wish to "mutilate and torture" save some of it for the tens of thousands of non-recorded events of tongue-ectomies, rape, torture and murder under the Baath regime.
^ then by the same justification i can say that the osama bin laden tape was edited in a way that made him appear to be responsible for the 9-11 attacks. Hmmmm intresting
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^ then by the same justification i can say that the osama bin laden tape was edited in a way that made him appear to be responsible for the 9-11 attacks. Hmmmm intresting
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Exactly my point.
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^ then by the same justification i can say that the osama bin laden tape was edited in a way that made him appear to be responsible for the 9-11 attacks. Hmmmm intresting
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Of course you can and many have. But there is one slight difference.
It was not the subjective way the bin laden tape was edited, but the fact that it existed at all. The bin laden tape was not edited from many pieces to make it appear as though he acknowledged 9-11. Bin laden admissions would not only have to have been "edited" together from seperate existing pieces of footage to make it appear as though he did and said what he did, but the man himself, his voice as well as those around him would have had to be "produced" out of thin air. It was not a simple case of editing. Not a good comparison at all.
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Of course you can and many have. But there is one slight difference.
It was not the subjective way the bin laden tape was edited, but the fact that it existed at all. The bin laden tape was not edited from many pieces to make it appear as though he acknowledged 9-11. Bin laden admissions would not only have to have been "edited" together from seperate existing pieces of footage to make it appear as though he did and said what he did, but the man himself, his voice as well as those around him would have had to be "produced" out of thin air. It was not a simple case of editing. Not a good comparison at all.
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Storch, according to your sayings we should not believe in any footage. All those killings of Iraqi's and afghans should be fake... we should not trust in none of this BS. So, who are these people who have such ample time on their hands and make such videos ? are these the same people who make the vidoes of those so called american soldiers liberating Iraq ?
-Salman
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Storch, according to your sayings we should not believe in any footage.
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Exactly, you cannot make excuses about one video being edited or doctored to cast doubt on it, and then claim the opposite in the case of the other.
Who are all these people callling Americans cowards? Do they hail from countries with great military victories to brag about?
I’d like to see any brave gupshup warrior or any of the “great Iraqi resistance” go one on one with an American Marine. It’s not all about technology or weaponry. It never has been throughout the storied history of the American military.
The truth is no one here knows the circumstances surrounding this video to gauge the risk this person represented.
Another American posting smilies when Iraqi’s are killed…then again you only see the ugly side in people don’t you, especially if they are Muslims?
Malik Sounds like your a little bitter over the United States victory today.