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Muslim population 1.3 Billion.
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Originally posted by FlameZz:
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Its time you should stop it, and be constructive.. Be a Muslim who comdemns and tries to stop wrongs.. and appreciates and participate in GOOD acts ad defined by QURAN and Hadiths.
that is all..
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That is EXACTLY what I'm trying to. Stop the wrongs of misguided Muslism and show them the truth about people like Osama. All you have to do is read Osama's interviews and fatwas to realize that this man has abandoned basic Islamic rules of Jihad! Do you think that Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) would have approved of killing innocents in Jihad as Osama has done and said so himself?
It is my duty as a Muslim to expose the lies of Osama to my fellow Muslims. Osama does not represent Islam or Muslims. He is a heretic. The sooner Muslims realize this, the better of we will be.
Osama's control over some Muslims is purely emotional. Muslims just feel sorry for him and try to justify his actions on the basis of what non-Muslims have been doing which is wrong. Muslims will be judges by Allah, not non-Muslims.
If I’ve the time, I may make another post, clarifying the matter.
It’d be a long post, since I’ll have to make comparisons of several nations over a period of a few decades (esp. African nations), and it may take me a long time to write it down.
Suffice to say, these statistics are not reliable.
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for the above post
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Originally posted by Xara:
Personally i dont believe Osama did do the bombing, but then i dont support the americans arabs or anyone, especially if the media are trying to portray them in a cretain light, the media can never be trusted, they might not lie but by ommission they avoid truth, so we dont get the real picture
every1s mixed up in this maybe conspiracies a harsh word to use but its what most ppl believe right?
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I'm not totally sold on the idea, that he did it ethier. Don't most of these groups that do that sort of thing, usually, very proudly claim the responsibility afterwards?
If you think about it, what's the point of doing something, if no one knows you did it?
I don't think this man is an angel, but I just don't know if he did 9/11 or not.
Also, not trying to stir up a hornets nest, or anything, but I really don't understand why the talk about him goes on. I am sorry but if I hear, or see this man's name many more times I think I will get sick!!! Again, very sorry to those that support him, but I just don't see him, as being that important, to the grand scheme of things. This larger than life image of him, only serves to inflame his already way too big ego. To hear him talk, he is God himself. I don't think so!!! Let's get real, I don't care who you are, or what you believe in, surely you can see this man for what he really is!!!
Brenda
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst!!!
[This message has been edited by bcsm57 (edited April 15, 2002).]
No he doesnt sound like god himself brenda if u heard him talk but it sure is the view given by the media
so u hate him bcos ure sick of hearing his name well im sick of watching tv reading the papers they even mentioned what friggin scars and moles he had!
that doesnt mean i hate him though, i hate politics of this country and america, i cant stand them theyre backstabbers all of them, say one thing then go iraq and kill a million kids
even those that are unborn are cursed to alife of misery
then they go and support that pig sharon, he comes on british TV the 'angel' the man that 'officially' killed 2000 or so (just wondering, what THE HELL happened to the unofficial??) and somehow every1 seems to have forgotton that,
god y is the world so nblind? faraz whatever i know u have a cocksure answer and ive readure mails (where on this planet do u come from? sorry ive asked that question like a million times??)
do ppl even give a damn anymore abt muslims that r being tortured maimed? killed abused the list goes on..
y is it that ppl enjoy doing this to muslims? i know europe wanted to rid themselves of the jews cos they hated them but did they have to drop em on palestine? now ISRAEL
muslim countries were seen as coloured shapes on the map of the world they could like little kids cut out and share eagerly among themselves.
any1 explain to me y theyre already planning the pipeline extending to afghanistan for the oil reserves? i swear to god i doubt its for the afghanis develpment, i think americas running alittle low on fuel
if i sound offensive to any1, face it its the truth and nothing any1 says is gonna change it
one more thing, they say in england we have the right of free speach, in america its a 'free country'. how come if any1 so much as sends money to palestine they get put into prison for fraternising with terorists? how come ppl arent allowed to send money to muslims who need it and theres plenty from american companies getting sent to israel?? millions
brenda, u say ure sick of seeing ladens pic on the front page??
im sick of this all of it, of the ppl who support these bloodthirsty killers and the ppl who stick up for them and the ppl themselves
the worst thing, no-one sticks up for the muslims and if they do, lets send 'em to cuba where they dont even have a fair trial
NightbladeSL I hear what you are saying.
Your opinions go across the board with respect to what the Ummah is facing, both muslims and non-muslims alike feel what you have said. It is a time to reflect and a time to change the current wrong which exists.
As a muslim we first need to consider why we are in this position and then act upon it tp change the situation.
The simple truth is we have deviated from what we were asked to do. Adam and Huwa peace be upon them both were sent on Earth as the vicegerents of Allah, they were told to worship Allah and live by His laws, and then live in peace. So through time the same message remains muslims are the vicegerents of Allah, we are the witnesses to mankind but only if we obey the commands that came to us. So finally the last Prophet of Allah, Muhammed peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, came with a book called the Qur'an and the Sunnah the practises of Allah, so that mankind would follow it, those who followed the way of life that the Prophet endorsed were within the what was called Islam. We all know this but what does Islam mean? it has several meanings such as
- a release and exemption from inner and outer evils
- peace and security
-obedience and surrender
Islam came with a practical example in the shape of Muhammed sallaho alahis wasalam, 'for truely in the Prophet of Allah do you have a perfect example' we were asked to follow it and then go about helping to change the wrong into right.
We have deviated from what Allah asked us to do, we have left behind the sunnah and the role model for life and hence we have become divided and weak. Weak not just for ourselves but weak for the whole world because it was our duty to forbid that which is evil and enjoin that which is right.
We need to change individually because it is through the individual that brings us united towards the good. I speak for myself before i speak for others, I need to look at my actions and rectify them in accordance with the Qur'an and the Authentic sunnah and if I don't know then I need to ask those who have knowlegde.
We are facing trouble times and Glory be to Allah even for this their is remedy, Allah asks us to be patient and to ask Him and to the patient give glad tidings.
You have much energy as was apparant from your reply, use that energy in a positive manner to help yourself and others, start with small things, the smallest of charity is to smile at a muslim, clearing the street of something harmful so that someone doesn't hurt themselves with it, another thing that helps.
Islam sure is facing troubled times, muslims surely are crying for the injustice to mankind regardless of race or religion, creed or colour, but let us start today and let us be kind to those near us and ask Allah to help us to change for the better so that in the future we can say with pure hearts to our young. I tried my best to rectify the wrong being propergated through means that Allah asked me to.
I sometimes think that muslims single themselves out from the rest of the world. That is not what Islam is about.
It is simply about working for the betterment of MANKIND no colour no creed no race no religion.We have to strive hard but at least we can say we tried.
It is very easy for me to sit infront of my computer and type while my fellow man is suffering yes, but at least I am trying to make a change and I am sure you are too.
Finally words from one I love dearly yet I have never seen him Ibn Al-Qayyim Al-Jawziyyah may Allah have mercy on his soul
"Get up (and hurry) in entering upon Allah and accompanying Him in the Home of Peace, without any tiredness, hardship or fatigue, but in fact by the nearest of paths and the most easiest (of them).And this is (by realising) that you are in a time between two times which is (what constitutes) your life, and this is the present time which is between what has passed and what is yet to come. The that which has passed, you can correct by repentance, remorse and seeking forgiveness. This is something in which there will be no tiredness, fatigue, or any straining efforts (required on your behalf). It is the action of the heart...And there is due from the servant to Allah, in every moment from his time, servitude which will advance him or bring him nearer to Allah. So if he spends his time in servitude to Allah, he will advance to his Lord and if he busies himself with desires, or relaxation or inactivity, he will lag behind. And the servant never ceases either to be moving forward or falling behind, and there is no stopping whilst on the path, ever."
May Allah accept our deeds and give us the ability to change ourselves so that we may forbid the evil and enjoin the good and Allah knows best.
Osama is a kafir terrorist according to the evidence we can all see.
Only gullible and naive Muslim teenagers think otherwise.
Allah knows best.
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Originally posted by Faraz Mir:
*Osama is a kafir terrorist according to the evidence we can all see.
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You know what Mr. Faraz, According to a Hadeeth of our Holy Prophet (S) - ** If anyone calls a fellow Muslim a Kafir, he himself becomes a Kafir ! ** (not the exact words)
What proof do you have he is Kafir ? Do you have the fatwa of some reputable Imam to prove your point?
** Even ** if Osama was guilty of the terror attacks (inspite of all the contradictions, flaws and lies in the theory of the American government), he'd still be a ** Sinner **, not a Kafir.
Grounds of declaring someone a Kafir are different.
If Osama comes up and says I don't believe in the Qur'an or something like that, ** THEN **, it's upto the scholars to call him a Kafir.
First thing faraz, osama wasnt even the topic of conversation, ive noticed how u always slip into the osama topic again and again, instead of something on here without checking out ure facts, the ones u do have up ure sleeve r fed into ure brain probably directly by the media
i dont give a damn if i sound rude to u, u deserve it, ure supposed to treat all ppl with equal respect, u ure the old fashioned HA who believes only the so called 'ancients' opinions count, let me tell u something, if u go around preaching to the youth of this society with ure kind of attitude and ideas, believe me ude be dead and mutilated be4 2 seconds flat!