CHILD SERVITUDE IN INDIA-SMALL HANDS OF SLAVERY!

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You are an Indian and you love India it is great ----- and it is completely understandable ----- but the sad part is ----- your negation of the facts about poverty, hunger, caste system, bonded labor, sati and much more is ----- truly despondent!

Nuff said!

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that's a good start so let me put it this way..hope you're intelligent than your counterparts to understand it. In the cities like where i grew up..in delhi..to call someone of a low caste (like the d word or c word) is an unbailable offence..i have myself seen people jailed for a month on a single complaint. The college i went to had special seats for these castes (with less than a fourth of the merit score others had). They got free education if they sent a one line application of inability to pay fee.

It however would be a far cry to say problem is not manifested in the ethos of rural country..it exists and continues but with time it is subsiding. hope when we have education levels improved it might just lose it altogether..

you cannot negate the problems in pakistan easily as you did...according to ahmed rashid 90% of the money musharraf received for aid went on to purchasing weapons. There are absolutely no tech companies there to recruit pakistanis which have same intellect level of south asians. Last delegation that visited india said "when we move out of our homes we do not know whether we'd be coming back or not". Is this a country you take pride on while pointing problems with a neighbor which clearly is doing better than was expected 20 years ago. Where is the qaid's pakistan which was to be a role model for rest of islamic world? Lost in violence when your own people do not know who the enemy is,..the zionists or your own nourished men...

forcible conversion is a reality in all muslim countries..okay thats a sweeping statement atleast in pakistan. i could find 100s of links from all unbiased sources with a single search..hope you can do it yourself.

Ever heard of wafa sultan? do you think suppression of women is reality? do you think throwing acid on face of unveiled women to show male supremacy is what makes pakistanis better than fellow indians? Or handing over an assault rifle on a 10 year old kid who should be studying in school.

India has problems along with that solutions and opportunities..your guess is as good as mine on what pakistan has! perhaps not..

Couldn't say 'nuff but i hope i made my point..

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This all shows what you seek on web! how many cases of sati have you noticed in last 2 decades? do a search and do a parallel search on how many women were honor killed in pakistan or for that matter in india(i hear a case every 6 months in north india).

Parallel that with the islamic courts in somalia which order stoning of a raped woman with thousands people watching and pelting..

Case in point sati isn't a prevalent problem anymore but honor killings and stoning are..and ofcourse caste system is a human rights issue and so is women emancipation in most of developing countries(including india)

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Ya isolaed mere bhai.

And again few videos wont do the job, as I already told U that these could be found in thousands to support or bash anything.

Let me try to convince U again, slavery is non existent and a crime in India barring some ISOLATED incidents. But in Islamic states (If there is any) slavery is very much allowed and lawful. I think that U agree with that thats why U havent refuted this statement.

And JazakAllah for ur decent words again.

Peace.

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Oh brother it has nothing to do with my love for India. I agree that poverty is there in India, but again being poor is no crime as U guys are making it to be. Better part of it is that we have successfully brought down poverty in last 60 years and that is what matters. Caste system has long been abolished and discrimination on caste lines is a big crime in India. bonded labor is again isolated, sati is almost non existent and only alive Indian hater's memories.

And I repeat again that slavery is a part of Islamic legacy and still lawful in any Islamic state. So ur coming down on slavery astonish me a lot.

Peace.

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Modern Day Slavery

This film has been nominated for 2010 Oscars.

Writer/director Gregg Helvey, M.F.A. '09, has turned bricks into gold with his film Kavi](http://www.kavithemovie.com/), which won the gold medal for narrative short film at the 36th annual Student Academy Awards on June 13.

Kavi is the story of a young boy in India who wants more out of life than work. Kavi wants to play cricket and go to school, but instead he is forced to work in a brick kiln as a modern-day slave. Unsatisfied with his fate, Kavi must choose to either accept what he’s always been told, or to fight for a different life even if he’s unsure of the ultimate outcome.

For my first film, it has been humbling, exciting and thrilling to see Kavi touch people’s hearts and raise awareness about modern slavery," said Helvey, who not only wrote and directed the film, but produced it as well.

Kavi benefited from the expertise of other Trojan personnel, including director of photography John Harrison, M.F.A. '08; sound designer Gentry Smith, M.F.A. '04; and composer and Thornton School of Music adjunct professor Patrick Kirst.

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The inspiration for the film came when Helvey learned that more slaves exist today than during the entire 400 years of transatlantic slave trade. “Bonded slavery is the biggest form of slavery today and I realized how important it was to raise awareness of this injustice through a great story,” he said.

Working to make his story as authentic as possible, on a separate trip, Helvey spent a month location scouting at brick kilns across India, meeting many child workers during that time. For production, the shooting location included a village “Wai” four hours outside of Mumbai with two dormant brick kilns.

Helvey’s 60-person crew was almost completely composed of professionals from the Mumbai film industry. Many of the cast and crew only spoke Hindi, while the production’s nearly 40 extras were locals who spoke Marathi, a completely different language.

In addition to the language barrier, the monsoon season posed a threat to the production. With an imminent storm rushing toward them, Helvey’s crew worked overtime to finish the film, barely escaping the monsoon, which swept through their set two hours after wrapping.

But the difficulties were worth it for Helvey. “The entire process really affirmed my calling to make films. Although it was a difficult and sometimes painful process leading up to the shoot, as soon as we were shooting, all the pain disappeared and it was a joy,” Helvey said. “In the end, it was an extremely emotional process and I am so thankful that I can give a voice to the voiceless in this small way.”

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“that's a good start so let me put it this way..hope you're intelligent than your counterparts to understand it.” ----- Written by beHind -----

“In the cities like where i grew up..in delhi..to call someone of a low caste (like the d word or c word) is an unbailable offence..i have myself seen people jailed for a month on a single complaint. The college i went to had special seats for these castes (with less than a fourth of the merit score others had). They got free education if they sent a one line application of inability to pay fee.” ----- Written by beHind -----

**“It however would be a far cry to say problem is not manifested in the ethos of rural country..it exists and continues but with time it is subsiding. hope when we have education levels improved it might just lose it altogether..” ----- Written by beHind ----- **

“caste system is a human rights issue and so is women emancipation in most of developing countries” Written by ----- Written by beHind -----

^^^^

**All four of your above statements are based on Inductive Hypothesis!**

On the contrary to some of your “counterparts” who have falsely portrayed themselves as people endowed with transcendent mental superiority ----- I definitely consider myself an average Joe especially in regards to any discussions here ----- however I am fully adept at holding my own.

There is absolutely no doubt that ----- there are not only several laws pertaining to the cast system in India but also it was clearly defined in Part III.----- Fundamental Rights ----- Arts 15 and 16 of the constitution of India that “The State shall not discriminate against any citizen on grounds only of religion, race, caste, sex, place of birth or any of them.”

Political aspects of the caste system are not only well taken care of by making laws and amending Constitution but, also are in absolute conformity with the system of fundamental principles according to which a nation, state or the like should be governed ----- good deed.

Now let us ponder, the religious aspects of the argument here ----- in the heart of the Hinduism ----- there prostrates the Cast System ----- in the hierarchy of the Caste System there are five divergent levels ----- Brahman ----- Kshatriya ----- Vaishya ----- Shudra ----- and ----- Harijans ----- within each of these categories are the actual “castes” or “Jatis” in these Jatis people are born ----- they die ----- and they get married.

The Caste System is an austere hierarchy based on Hinduism. It is believed that if one precede a good life , heeding to good Karma and Dharma then, they will be remunerated by being reincarnated as a person belonging to the next level in the Caste System. However if one is profane to Karma and Dharma during their life time they will be demoted or possibly even be dislodged from the Cast System altogether ----- out casts or untouchables rather Non Hindus ----- are members of Hindu society thought to have been removed from the Caste System due to their misdeeds in previous lives with no hope returning to it

According to BHAAGABAD GEETA ----- the holy book of Hindu religion ----- In Hindu philosophy every creature is created by the God or Barhma ----- Barhamins are thought to be created from the mouth of Barhma to symbolize the teacher group ----- Chetris are thought to be created from the arms of Barhma to symbolize warriors ----- Baishyas are are thought to be created from the lap of Barhma to symbolize the mother feeding her baby ----- Shudras are thought to be created from the feet of Barhma to symbolize weight bearer ----- And non Hindu Harijans ----- THE OUTCASTS ----- THE ULTIMATE UNTOUCHABLES----- THEREFORE ----- the Barhamins are the upper most caste ----- followed by ----- Chetris ----- Baishyas ----- Shudras ----- and Harijans ----- now called Untouchables.

A gratifying argument arises here ----- you can make all the laws you want amend the constitution a million times the Caste System is stark reality which is based on Hinduism thus it is profoundly ingrained into Indian society through the illuminati conspiracy of Hinduism against poor and vulnerable. They only way it can be rooted out would be insurrection of poor of India -----

Nuff said!

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All your statements below are hallucinations of a confused mind..I have not heard or read any of the stuff you talk about. Your transcendental inferiority is clear reading a bit of your post..The evils in the country you’re from are known as well for instance you can silently read this wiki

Islam and slavery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and claim slavery does not exist..and your country is devoid of any evil like this..

hindus are not the ones to stick to this age old tradition of untouchability…even if it has been a part of society they’d be the first ones to leave it behind..it’s slow so you can score your points till then..Most educated indians wouldn’t even know which of these four they belong to. But i am glad we wouldn’t lose these evils in society as you’re there to remind us of our evils…

Can you for once comment on the evils that I mentioned about pakistan?

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Are you telling me to read Wikipedia which can be edited by any one from any skid row of the world.

Stop your window dressing and sincerely address the grave issues of Caste System and Bonded Labor ----- if you would like to talk about Islam start a new thread and we would be glad to discuss anything about it ----- but avoid your evading tactics ----- by posting a rational answer!

Nuff said!

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"All your statements below are hallucinations of a confused mind..I have not heard or read any of the stuff you talk about. Your transcendental inferiority is clear reading a bit of your post..The evils in the country you're from are known as well for instance you can silently read this wiki"

"and claim slavery does not exist..and your country is devoid of any evil like this.."

"hindus are not the ones to stick to this age old tradition of untouchability...even if it has been a part of society they'd be the first ones to leave it behind..it's slow so you can score your points till then..Most educated indians wouldn't even know which of these four they belong to. But i am glad we wouldn't lose these evils in society as you're there to remind us of our evils...

Can you for once comment on the evils that I mentioned about pakistan?"

*Second part of your post is a total contradiction of the first part of your post ----- so please read your own posts before submitting them!
*

*Nuff said! *

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your words bear less importance than the wikis..no matter what you say..you picked hinduism as a founding stone for caste system while evading slavery traditions in your religion. For the purpose of thread religion wasn't to be brought into discussion but whatever....

i pointed out article from dawn which you rubbished....

however for my side the record Caste system is existent and Its sad. Even if it is not practised in developed cities all the people who you'd see cleaning scum would be of these castes that you talk about. Most indians try to evade this point.

Having said above all such from these castes have a right and most of the times atleast in cities good opportunity to study and make a mark and many do..such age old traditions will die only slowly..it started its death course in this century..couple more decades and it'd be off..

Bonded labor has been a problem in sub-continent..if only you learned to look inwards...

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stop picking lines to prove a point..point is that hindus are not bound by religion to not change their age old menace..and we do not behead people for any insult :-)

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The Aryan warriors invaded northern India in 1500 BC . The Aryans were from Central Asia they somehow contrived to vanquish the Himalayas by finding lower passes in the mountains, such as the Khyber Pass in Pakistan. The Aryans quelled and subjugated the Dravidians of Central India and imposed their social structure or caste system upon them ----- And that was 3000 years ago the caste system has not been abolished yet ----- God known when and how?.

Nuff said!

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“stop picking lines to prove a point..point is that hindus are not bound by religion to not change their age old menace..and we do not behead people for any insult :-)”

Ha Ha Ha Ha I knew that was coming!

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Re: CHILD SERVITUDE IN INDIA-SMALL HANDS OF SLAVERY!

you are a good sport!

CYA!

Nuff said!

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and then came the men of honor who liberated a suppressed population moved it to a pak country of pious people called pakistan..which brought good name,honor and respect from all airports across world :D..where people move through their shining country with freedom..no one
blows themselves up..and time is coming for it to soon liberate the oppressed
on its eastern border. Feeling high on bournvita? :D

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Why do you keep getting off course lets talk about bondad child labor and caste system.

And your answer regarding my Aryan post is?????

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Inresponse to GoodMD2B.....

Yes, I totally agree with you

word achoot is totally indian word. I ancient Indian society, society was divided on the basis of your karma.
But again, due to currupt practises of Brahmins who were the teachers of the society they marganilzed people in the Shudra varna system. So, sons of Brahmins continued to teach and sons of Shudra continued to do manual labor.
To continue this practise, brahmins labeled them as achoots, the reason being they do all the menial work of the society and started imposing lot of ristriction on them, eg. they did not allow them to visit temples, did not educate or teach them sanskrit so that they cannot read the true hindu scriptures.
Every word in the sanskrit scriptures was translated by these currupt Brahmins. That is they started getting labelled as achoot.

It has nothing to do with religion. Even in Islamic societies, if a muslim jamadar who cleans the gutter will be served water in a different glass even if he has bathed 10 times.

There are lot of misconceptions like Sati, According to hindu religion lord shiva took samadhi (meditate) in fire, his wife parvati could not take it and jumped in the fire along with him. from that day parvati was called sati.

if sati was part of hindu customs, the question was why sati was practised only on North India and in bengal. Sati was never practised in South India.

The bitter truth is, sati got revided in India after ruthless conversion of some muslim rulers in north india. Hindu women from fear of being taken away or converted by so called muslim rulers used to jump in fire after their husbands were killed. This system got revived again by the hindus to marginalize women fold after the death of their husbands, so that they are not the burden on the family or take control of the property. No hindu scripture says a wife should commit suicide after her husbands death.

In fact the word hindu is not mentioned in any hindu scriptures. I think even these so called hindus dont know this. True name of the hindu religion is called DHARMA which means the Rightous path. And their books are called Dharmic books i.e religious books.

Curruption has happened in every religion, in chirstianity during the middle ages, the clergy used to issue certificates to enter gates of heaven based on the money given to them, women were burnt as witches, earth was considered flat etc.

I modern times Islam is going through the same phase of curruption. These mullahs are using Jihad to push their own political agenda. Every mullah is interpreting Jihad in his own way. But the truth is Jihad is not only the duty of muslims but of all humans ie. to struggle for righteousness.

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I agree with most of the rest of your post, but this part is hilariously incorrect. :)

The dictionary meaning of "Dharma" is righteous duty. In spoken language that its also used for religion. So "Hindu Dharma" would mean Hindu religion.

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So please explain what does hindu mean??? is it sanskrit, prakrit, hindustani, what is the meaning of the word hindu? Please give me reference of any vedic scripture or gita that contains word "hindu"

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