ahh we have a critic.. very well, here, a very quick search provides the following references:
In Europe earlier puberty has also been reported, particularly in warmer climates 7
source: [Precocious Puberty]Health Topics]Precocious Puberty](Health Topics)
In warmer climates, puberty often occurs earlier, and in the Artic regions, one or two years later
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that’s nice but it doesn’t imply causality. In fact, your articles can’t even conclusively say that this is the case. If you actually do real research as opposed to quick googling, you will find that no one has been able to conclusively say this is the case. The confounding variables have not been isolated enough to infer causality.
But yes, if you have an 11 year old in a warmer climate, marry her off to the first idiot you meet. For the girl in the colder climate, wait until she is at least 12 years old.](Curricular Resources)
& yeah, opposite of this unethical cultural phenomena, in other races and nations, such as europe and americas, more pronounced consensual or forced rapes, child molestation and gay as well as lesbian orientations.
& yeah, opposite of this unethical cultural phenomena, in other races and nations, such as europe and americas, more pronounced consensual or forced rapes, child molestation and gay as well as lesbian orientations.
'forced' rape? like the raper was forced to rape?
and did you put homosexuality in the same list as rape and child molestation? okay, you did.
and in those places, queers are more visible cause they have more acceptance there. just cuz ppl dont comeout in desi-land doesnt imply Europeans and americans have more gays.
back to the topic, i agree, any marriage under the age of 17 is child marriage= child molestation.
and its a big no no.
its sick and disgusted.
I am totally against forced child marriages- or forced marriages of any age. But if the person has reached puberty and consents wholly...I don't know...what about a preggo teen whose parents want the guy and the girl to get married? what if one or both of them was 15 or 16 (i.e. below your 17 year old limit). This was not considered "disgusting" (in the US anyway) during the 50's and 60's and it is still an option in some parts of the US if a teenage girl is "in trouble". I know that when people are saying it's "disgusting" they are talking about what happens in the bedroom. but, there are girls who are 11 and 12 are giving birth, and not because they were raped or anything either. Its OK for them to be doing god knows what, but apparently disgusting for them to get married. It is considered very wrong today but until recently it was not unheard of to get married in the early/mid teens, and it was practiced in many places.
Also, I think with the molesters and stuff- the problem with using this analogy is that these acts are not socially acceptable so even if they do occur, they are shunned upon. Whereas, "child" marriages are acceptable in some societies.
If a young girl or boy who has reached puberty is forced into marrying someone, that is absolutely wrong. but as long as they have reached maturity, and consent to marriage, I don't think we can put an ambiguous age and label the person a child.
Is your question regarding child marriage about the current times, or is it regarding child marriage throughout history? I think everyone is interpreting it as a prepubescent 10 year old getting forced to marry to a 50 year old or something, but you never specified this. If culturally it is normal for girls to marry young, the girls have reached maturity, and the girl actually wants/accepts/expects to get married to whoever, who are we to judge what is too early? Yes, today a girl getting married v. early is not a good life choice, because times have changed, and things like education are a necessity. In this day and age marrying early really puts them at a disadvantage. but I want people to be open minded about why some societies now or in the past find it acceptable.
I usually have this argument with my non-muslims co-workers that child marriages are so bad ---etc etc etc .....I usually turn around and smile and say -- yeap you are right child marriages are bad but having kids at the age of 12 or 13 is okay RIGHT
I personally believe no one under the age of 25 should get married. It takes years for one to develop their own personality and stand tall around their enviornment. Marriage is a huge responsiblity and takes a lot of understanding.
I see young girls getting accustom to verbal abuse not so much of physical abuse (those residing in US).
I know this girl she is 22 and been married 3 times already-- i feel horrible for her- i mean you would think that there is something wrong with her but sadly PARENT"S fault. Third marriage has lasted 3 years so far. (longer then other marriages which lasted no more than 2 quaters) .
Then i also know this girl she was going in the wrong crowd her parents got her married at the age of 16-- mashallah she has been married for good 4 years now.
anyone getting married below the age of 18 is considered a child marriage by me. I don't care if it's forced or not, it's just wrong. Other than that I wouldn't suggest that anyone get married before atleadt the age of 21 I got married at 23 and sometimes feel even that was early.
Why do so many people call marriage of a 17 years old sick and perverted in our society today......and yet for 17, 16, 15 year olds to be having causual sex is accepted and expected
anyone getting married below the age of 18 is considered a child marriage by me. I don't care if it's forced or not, it's just wrong.
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What makes someone ready for marriage at the magical age of 18? The 12 months between 17 and 18 dont comprise an automatic transformation of maturity and experience. You could have a 16 or 17 year old who is more mature than a 25 year old
^where did u read anyone on GS saying casual sex for teens is ok? I say 18 because yes I feel they are more mature than 17 yr olds since they have usually been out of hs for a yr and are probably in college. Hopefully they are living on their own or working and understand what responsibility is.
Yes u can find 16 yr olds that are more mature than a 25 yr old but usually u will find a 25 yr old that is much more mature than teens. They have much more experience in life, hopefully have finished college, have had a job and are more grounded and responsible. Is it the opposite of this in the area u live in? Since I assume u think it's ok for 15 yr olds to get married. You must have met a lot of teens that are more mature than adults.
I didnt say on GS, I said in our society.......anyways I wasnt implying that ALL 16 or 17 years old are mature enough to get married, my point was that age is a number and sometimes there could be no difference between a 17 year old and an 18 year old, so it doesnt make sense to me for a marriage of an 18 year old to be socially acceptable and for that of a 17 year old to be seen as a child marriage that is wrong or perverse. I dont think its universally ok for a 15 year old to get married either, especially not if the country they live in has laws against that, in this case the mimimun age for me is the age set by the state, even if its 21. But yes, in some parts of the world, people might be ready for marriage at the age of 16 and if they are mature and experienced enough for it and ready to bear the responsibility of marriage and their parents agree and approve of it, then I dont think its for me to judge them and call it wrong, just because it doesnt fit into my North American context of a "proper" marriage
ts really hard to decide an actual time when everyone would be ready for marriage which is why we have guidelines.if the age 18 is set by a state, it doesn't mean they think anyone under that age can't be married, shouldn't be married, etc especially if you'r like 17.5 or something. but they have to set some standard and then if anyone wants an exception to the rule then they're more than welcome to, as long as their parents/guardians (who you're hoping are wiser and smarter than a 17 yr old) agree. And it might not seem like it but i know i matured significantly from 17 to 18, even in a year. course thats just me. someone else could have gone through that same experience from 14-15 who knows.
the point of implementing rules like ' you can't marry till your 18' is just to protect the vulnerable. and its really hard to say what the right age is. i'd say you should be at least 16 before you get married and even then i wouldn't recommend it till you were 18/19. in the past girls would marry at 12/13 and they would be mature enough at that age, but then they also lived till 35-40. times have changed and i think generally humans mature slower than we used to (what with those extra 30 years we have to live).
nowadays i think its important to have been allowed an education and enough years to be able to see enough of the world and have some concept of how to make decisions and judgements before you take on the responsibility of marriage and children.
well child marriages are permissible in Islam as we have the Example of Hazrat Ayesha(RA)'s marriage with Prophet Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) but at that time these marriages were not forced ones, but on the other hand, today these are enforced on boys and girls. thats the main problem.
but still after the results we can say that child marriages must not be done its better that marriages should be done at the time of maturity of both the sexes.
anyone getting married below the age of 18 is considered a child marriage by me. I don't care if it's forced or not, it's just wrong. Other than that I wouldn't suggest that anyone get married before atleadt the age of 21 I got married at 23 and sometimes feel even that was early.
In England kids can get married at 16 with parents consent but it's v.rare.
well child marriages are permissible in Islam as we have the Example of Hazrat Ayesha(RA)'s marriage with Prophet Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) but at that time these marriages were not forced ones, but on the other hand, today these are enforced on boys and girls. thats the main problem.
but still after the results we can say that child marriages must not be done its better that marriages should be done at the time of maturity of both the sexes.
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you tried to put two things together one is sunnah and other your opinion
we better not go to religious side because it is very sensitive issue