this is the solution. I accept it .. but i was raising a question that if she (so called mother) or her sister could not breast feed them. since to breast feed she had to have a child at the same time .. u got my point?
I got your point and that is why adoption is not as straight forward as giving birth. But also remember that child is not limited to be fed by new mom or her sister (as I mentioned other relatives in one of my previous posts), also child does not need to be fed as soon as adoption happens. depending upon the child's current age, he or she may have few years of window before he/she becomes adult.
ist not about lustful thoughts Sara. Religiously speaking, adopted girl has to do parda from her dad and mom from her adopted son if they are not mehram.
When Islam asks females to do parda from X Y or Z, Islam does not say that check if that person has lustful thoughts and only then you should do parda otherwise ok. Peophet ask his wives to do parda from a blind sahabi. a blind person cannot see you so cannot have any thoughts about you but you are still required to do parda
First of all my apology for mixing the name of Sahih Bukhari with Sahih Muslim. I have seen those ahadees in Sahih Muslim not in Sahih Bukhari.
May Allah preserve you
If you do not consider this as authentic source of Sahih Muslim you can open an authentically printed Sahih Muslim and see for yourself.
Allhamdulillah, I'm aware about these ahadith. The reasons I asked you to post them were 2:
1) You mentioned Bukhari which wasn't correct as you rectified it yourself
2) You said many ahadith mentioning grown up kid*s* breast fed by wom*en. Notice all the plurals here. However, what we have here is few narrations, narrating one incident with slight different wording and perhaps via different routes. Notice how the chapter is titled: "SUCKLING OF **A* YOUNG (BOY)".
Now Allahu A'lam if this was an intentional mistake on your part due to ignorance or unintentional.
For second part I ask counter question will any teachings of Islam allow this suckling of milk by boys of the age which are mentioned here ?
The burden of proof is not on my shoulder to prove that these are not against the teachings of Islam. Rather you're the one who claimed that they're against the teachings of Islam; hence, the burden of proof is on your shoulder: innocent until proven guilty. I'm interested to know what scientific approach you use to say these ahadith are against the teachings of Islam; hence, they must be rejected. You say it with such confidence and surety as if there's an established principle and/or text which says otherwise.
I think you are confusing the heck out of yourself. My answer is simple and quite self explanatory.
My bhanjaa/bhanjee - bhateeja/bhateeji are mehram for me and for my wife. I dont see why the confusion is there.
If I want to adopt a girl and my wife cannot feed the girl then I can go to my wife's sis and if she feeds the girl then I also become that girl's mehram which means that she does not need to do pardaa from me after she grows up and neither I can have nikah with her, so she can be raised as my daughter in my house.
Brother, this is not correct. The nieces/nephews of your spouse are mehram for your spouse and not you unless they're also your (blood) nieces/nephews. Allahu A'lam
Everything else you said about those ahadees and about my intentions is irrelevant to the discussion in this thread. The fact that there are ahadees like this are there in books of ahadees does not change by whatever you are saying.
So I will not respond and will let it go.
But :
The burden of proof is not on my shoulder to prove that these are not against the teachings of Islam. Rather you're the one who claimed that they're against the teachings of Islam; hence, the burden of proof is on your shoulder: innocent until proven guilty. I'm interested to know what scientific approach you use to say these ahadith are against the teachings of Islam; hence, they must be rejected. You say it with such confidence and surety as if there's an established principle and/or text which says otherwise.
and Allah knows best
Islam has rules about interaction between namahram men and women . Islam will never allow suckling of a grownup up na mahram boy by a na mahram married woman, that too, just to make it permissible for that boy to enter the house. If he was dying of hunger then may be.