Re: Caste System is India’s Hidden Apartheid
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Re: Caste System is India's Hidden Apartheid
casteism shud be condemned unconditionally. period. casteism however is not limited to india. in pakistan a lot of high profile muslim families like syed discriminate a lot against poor muslim communities like ansari etc. dun remember where i read it but it seems that a caretaker of a mosque has to be from a specific community (read caste) and not every aira-ghaira lallu panju can hope to reach that post, even if qualified. nevertheless, this is one evil that must be rooted out mercilessly from society.
Re: Caste System is India's Hidden Apartheid
^the equivalent of village level abuses/violence against lower-castes won't be found in pakistan....however, the general effect and undertones that the caste system has in society and general indian affairs has an operational equivalent (that is actually stronger) in the pakistani class and subcaste system.
of course there are plenty of other forms of discrimination found in pakistan (and india too)....which begs the question - what makes one form of discrimination worse than the other? how is this quantified?
i don't think there's any real answer....same tatti, different pile...glass houses...blah blah.
Re: Caste System is India's Hidden Apartheid
yes indeed caste syestem prevails among muslims too esp when it comes to marriage
shia sunni, in india some syeds dont marry khans and most upper caste muslims dont marry a qureshi or ansari or any such low caste
Re: Caste System is India's Hidden Apartheid
Caste system is inbred in all desis- muslim, sikh, hindu, christian or otherwise. It is rampant in Pakistan almost as much it is in India because it has always been the same subcontinent and its the same blood running through all of us. So much so that it has affected the muslims of the subcontinent and they (including ourselves) have deviated from the teachings of Islam and adopted the Hindu 4 tier system. The only difference is people of India (especially hindus) practice it openly while the people of Pakistan (including muslims) practice it subconsciously (like an inherited trait).
Atlantis, youre arguments are fundamentally flawed. But since you're desi (and we all are) you cannot live without pointing fingers at others instead of discussing the point in question. You cannot compare the different sects of Islam (sunni, shia etc) to the Hindu caste system. The different sects of islam are based on different interpretations of historical events and different modes of praying to God. You're comparing that to the Hindu caste system? What have you been smoking my friend?
And if the point youre trying to prove is that Islam preaches the caste system, you are again very wrong. Islam has never taught segregating people based on their birth. The one and ONLY distinction among people in the eyes of God is their deeds and their virtues. When you go to a masjid to pray you are required to go in such a way that a prince and a pauper can be standing shoulder to shoulder and still no one should be able to tell the difference.
What Islam teaches us is one thing. What we muslims choose to follow is another. It is a fact and it cannot be changed that the caste system does prevail in Pakistan but just because it does, doesn't mean that it has been taught in Islam.
Re: Caste System is India’s Hidden Apartheid
Again, a trait inherited from the hindus of the subcontinent.
Re: Caste System is India's Hidden Apartheid
Muslims who claim foreign descent claim a superior status for themselves as ashraf or 'noble'. Descendants of indigenous converts are, on the other hand, commonly referred to contemptuously as ajlaf or 'base' . foreign muslims never belonged to hindu religen to say the inherited the system.
Re: Caste System is India's Hidden Apartheid
I wont be surprised if it happens in our country, there's a silly baffoon in another thread with the same mentality as these Pagans, I wouldn't be surpirsed if he is one actually, a Hindu, I've never seen a Pakistani be so casteist in my life, except for a few old gramps and grannies, certainly none in our generation.
Don't see the point in 'jatt' pride anyway, where I hail from it's a curse word and even in the Hindu days it was not considered very high that's why when Guru Nanak started a new Hindu sect called Sikhism a lot of Jatts converted to it because it abolished the caste system.