Careers & immigrants

Yes. So what does it take to counter the influence of others?

My advise was to first have a goal in mind. Then, to find mentorship in a person who is either in that field or if not possible, then someone who is successful in their professional career. Then, make a gameplan which inloves earning a living while working on the gameplan and finally achieving the goal. It may not be easy but there ain't no free lunch now, is there?

We've seen many international students who come here with an ambition but get side tracked during their student years and end up never completing their studies, losing their status, and eventually "slipping" because they looked for easy money. One of my husband's friend eventually ended up going back home because he wasted 3-4 precious years of his younger years this way.

I hate to be judgemental here because I'm sure they went through a lot of frustration but the thing is that it is easy to lose focus when there are so many distractions. The opportunity is the same for everyone, but one has to be willing to go all the way.

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I think its really sad to see professionals with advanced degrees not realizing their full potential. Assuming that they were truly qualified to practice in Pakistan, these individuals need the right mix of dedication, support, and sheer hard work to pass the exams and secure the right positions.

On the other side, we should not speculate individual circumstances because they will vary significantly. For example, some people are hard wired to do one thing at a time and having the stress of working to live while simultaneously preparing for exams might be too much.

It is still a shame to see folks give up along the way.

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I have seen my mother struggle through all of this. But it was my father and nana who encouraged her and didn't let her lose focus off what she wanted. Everyone she knew or met would tsk tsk about how hard it is to live here and how there's no future for professionals and blah blah. Of course she got very worried, even sick, because she's always been very successful and for her to get these kind of views from others left her very depressed. But she went back to Pakistan and while she was telling my grandfather how difficult it is and that she cannot do it, he got so upset. He was like, is this why I sent you to medical school? To work for a few years and then throw your career away? She came back, did what she needed to and mashallah now is successful.

I think that extra push is always needed when you see someone straying away. It's a given that you will meet those few with negative views throughout your life.. but it's your own ambition and goals in life that will guide you. And ofcourse, family members should be very supportive and even forceful if they need to.

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Achieving a career can sometimes be difficult for all, not just immigrants.

A lot of it (I feel) has to do with patience and confidence.

Through personal experience I think sometimes 'giving up' is not such a bad thing, in terms of analysing if the chosen 'dream' career is really what you want/need.

I gave up 4 years ago, tried various other career paths (advertising?!) took me 1 year to realise that I did want to live the 'dream', got my foot in the door again, had a take a few steps backwards, but still mananged to achieve the 'dream', albeit four years later.

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Well when we came to Canada, my Dad had a tough time as well because finding a residency here in Canada is 10times harder than US or anywhere else, because they have very few spots for international medical graduates. Everyone told my Dad to change his field and bla bla but he did not give up. Even though he had to support his family because we were all young and everything, so he worked full time as a pathologist assitant at some hospital and passed all his exams etc, and kept trying and trying , year after year but never gave up. In Canada they would have like 5 spots for a total of 1000 plus international medical graduates, more so in specialities like pathology, cardio etc its way more competitive compared to family medicine. But Allhumdulilah finally he got a residency in Pathology at one of the best teaching hospitals in Canada.

Like everyone said, it takes a lot of courage, perseverance and the ability to stay focused. Because you will get a lot of negativity especially from people of your own community.

the countering the influence is tough.

one of my mentor's examples of teh behavior of such groups is like that of a bunch of crabs in a tin bucket..as one is trying to get out the others will pull it back in...

so someone who is frsutrated because he is unable to get through, of he is around people who are saying hey its not your fault, system is bad, and its not worth it etc. Its an easier message to hear than something along the lines of dude..you have to be serious.

the key is to help them see that there is a way without putting them down yet not accepting that they cant do any better than they have.

That reminds me of an old joke you might or might not have heard it.
On the judgment day there were many wells in hell with fire burning in them and people being punished.
On each of those wells there was an angel who would push the people back in if they would try to get out.
There was one well with no angel guarding it so one of angel observed it and asked to other angel how come ?
This angel replied this well is for Pakistani people we do not need to guard it. If one Pakistani tries to get out others pull that person back in. :D

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hahaah yes yes i had heard it one time, thansk for reminding me hahahaah

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:smack:

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niksik it is really still answering the issue at hand in a roundabout way.
it is an issue, people not willing to see others do better than them, more likely to pull others to their level than to push others to go and do better.

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It is indeed the bitter truth. I know enough cases to agree.

I have an elder cousin, whose husband a pakistani doc after trying and trying to work as a doc in the canada, gave up and went to the middle east and worked as a doc there, after few years he came back to canada and got a job as a doc. Meaning dont give up, some day u will achieve ur goals.