Firstly you brushed all westerners as capitalists yourself with statement above 
I don’t belive that is totally true because many times i see demonstrations and rioting in streets of europe and US against capitalism.
Secondly you admit capitalism is a failed system by claiming it just can’t do it, sounds like one of those nikey ads CAPITALISM Just can’t do it
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Firstly you brushed all westerners as capitalists yourself with statement above :)
I don't belive that is totally true because many times i see demonstrations and rioting in streets of europe and US against capitalism.
Secondly you admit capitalism is a failed system by claiming it just can't do it, sounds like one of those nikey ads CAPITALISM Just can't do it
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Western nations use one form or another of capitalism. There will always be demonstrations in a free society against any and every thing, it doesn't mean that most westerners are not living and following a system that employs capitalism as its main economic policy. I'd argue that most of these people would not sell their mothers for money as you like to say.
Capitalism is not a failed system, it just is unable to feed, clothe and otherwise take care of the societies that do not join it. I have a sneaky suspicion that khalifa khalifa not only couldn't do it, but wouldn't have any interest in helping those outside of their religous empire.
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Western nations use one form or another of capitalism. There will always be demonstrations in a free society against any and every thing, it doesn't mean that most westerners are not living and following a system that employs capitalism as its main economic policy. I'd argue that most of these people would not sell their mothers for money as you like to say.
Capitalism is not a failed system, it just is unable to feed, clothe and otherwise take care of the societies that do not join it. I have a sneaky suspicion that khalifa khalifa not only couldn't do it, but wouldn't have any interest in helping those outside of their religous empire.
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Sneaky suspicion yes well we have seen your sneaky suspicions in your posts and you can hardly muster anything concrete to back your sneaky suspicions up.
Democracy and now capitalism come on this is too easy.
"Democracy and now capitalism come on this is too easy."
This is like fighting with a one armed elderly blind man.
AK46,
Please either support your contention for this thread, or just disappear.
:topic: disappear wow someone getting upset try not getting emotionally attached to these defunct ideas.
capitalism is problematic and oppresive democracy is on its last legs, nobody wants it anymore thats a fact more and more people are realizing everyday.
"capitalism is problematic and oppresive democracy is on its last legs, nobody wants it anymore thats a fact more and more people are realizing everyday."
Well, that convinced me. Your clever development of the thesis, backed by the applicable facts, scintillating commentary, witty rebuttals, and sound logic and presentation have made a believer out of me. Bring on the Ummah, down with Myvoice and the rest of the Capitalist pigs!
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down with Myvoice and the rest of the Capitalist pigs!
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wow you really are touchy on the subject of Capitalism and democrohypocrisy!
Never mind you know what they say truth hurts!
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capitalism is problematic and oppresive democracy is on its last legs, nobody wants it anymore thats a fact more and more people are realizing everyday.
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Try as I might, I can't think of a single democratic and capitalist country where the majority of people are clamoring to get rid of the system in favor of something else.
Who is the "nobody" in your statement that "nobody wants it anymore?"
I can think of country after country where people want democracy and capitalism under circumstances where they don't have it. I can also think of numerous formerly communist countries that want more of democracy and capitalism than they currently have.
What, in your educated opinion, is the system that most people want instead of democracy and capitalism? Can you give me some citations to support your viewpoint?
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Try as I might, I can't think of a single democratic and capitalist country where the majority of people are clamoring to get rid of the system in favor of something else.
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well you can't of been thinking hard enough try looking outside the cocoon of amerikKa
The entire muslim world is clamoring for shariah laws.
Latin america my goodness capitalism has left them penniless and africa wow need i say anymore!
Capitalism is for the few elite who will remain as the elite and will behave like pirates by making the trade and international laws in there favour. These are predeomenantly the G7 anyone else is left fighting for pathetic scraps.
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well you can't of been thinking hard enough try looking outside the cocoon of amerikKa
The entire muslim world is clamoring for shariah laws.
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And pray tell, which part of the entire muslim world that is clamoring for shariah laws currently has a democratic and capitalist system in place that they want replaced by shariah? Whatever discontent exists among some number of the masses in the entire Muslim world does not exist today because their experiment with democracy and capitalism failed.
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Latin america my goodness capitalism has left them penniless and africa wow need i say anymore!
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Tell me oh wise one which Latin American country had a non-democratic, non-capitalist system in place which was destroyed once it became the bastion of capitalism and democracy? And Africa....you have got to be kidding me. Do you think Uganda went to hell in a handbasket after turning to democracy and capitalism? Ethiopa too?
Myvoice maybe you are hearing voices or somthing.
I suggest you try looking around the world and see what global policies from capitalism have done.
Now i can waste time and html space pasting article after article from enron and worldcom cooking the books outright fraud scandals on your own doorstep to the stock market scandals in south east asia which have inflicted billions of dollars of debt on people who did'nt even invest on stock markets showing the clear failures of capitalism but it has been done about a thousand times on guppshup.
If you think latin america is in awe of capitalism and africa is licking there lips at the prospect then keep on deluding yourself.
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Never mind you know what they say truth hurts!
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Getting a bit of your own medicine are you....
How come you dont reply to a direct question with facts that can support your comments?
Or is it that small things like facts dont matter?
I suggest you answer the backlog of direct questions addressed to you before you post any new brainwave theories....
Toddyon
:topic: stick to the topic and no personal attacks
i have responded to many posts so clearly you are just making a personal attack here which is pointless and non productive.
Latin America and Africa as failures of capitalism? Got a whole list of other possible reasons for failure other than some protestor blaming the US in a rant to a reporter.
I'll take Singapore, South Korea, Japan, India, China as excellent examples of countries which have embraced market based economies and have seen the quality of life rise.
When I first came to this board, I asked participants for AN EXAMPLE of the success of a purely Islamic regime. Please provide an example that what you are expousing will actually work. What country is the shining beacon of how things ought to be?
protestor ranting to reporter!
Are you avoiding the obvious or what. So those latin american, african and asian countries are praising the stock market crashes the debt and the dispair are they wow talk about delusional.
Listen this topic is about the failures of capitalism and the swiss cheese theory of democrohypcrisy.
As for india and china having high living standards obviously you have'nt had the opportunity to live there have you :)
Its best to look underneath the shiny surface because all may not be what it seems!
why is it you have Bush as president of amerikka when Al Gore got more votes thats what democracy is supposed to be the man with most votes, obviously not its the man with the most bucks and how many people he can bribe that wins!
ISlamic regime hmmm don't know of any regime but if you mean islamic government then you need to look up the islamic state and its 1400 years of history.
ak47 has made of his mind about a subject he knows little about, he's right and everyone else is wrong, move on.
Challenging the ludicrous statements you have posted in this thread, holding your feet to the fire to provide factual support for them, and demanding that you answer simple questions which answers would so obviously undercut your opinions/comments is hardly a personal attack.
People are attacking what you say and your method/style of running away from legitimate questions in favor of posting non-responsive tripe. Until and unless you answer the questions, people are free to conclude and opine that what you have posted is intellectually lacking, unintelligible, unsupportable, BS. And they may do so without ever resorting to personal attacks. 
myvoice
again i think you wasted 10 mins writing nonsense that had nothing to do with the topic yet again and instead focused on me oh well maybe you got nothing better to do.
Stick to topic it the whole point of discussion leave the personal attacks aside.
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myvoice
again i think you wasted 10 mins writing nonsense that had nothing to do with the topic yet again and instead focused on me oh well maybe you got nothing better to do.
Stick to topic it the whole point of discussion leave the personal attacks aside.
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Discussions usually flow something like this:
You say something and maybe ask a question.
I respond and answer your question. Then, I ask you a question.
(* Here's the fun part!!! *) You answer my question.
And so on.
Now, let's take a simple IQ test. Which step in this three step process is missing in this thread???
Here is the way these discussions have been going:
You say something and maybe ask a question.
I respond and answer your question. Then, I ask you a question.
Ignore the discussion, and ignore the question. Spew some barely intelligible rant based on some fashionable belief or cheezy web site. When other participants desire a discussion longer than two lines, accuse them of personal attacks with defensive little smilies.
Here is a question directly related to this thread. What Islamic "country" best represents the ideal Islamic alternative to the evil democracy/capitalism ideal?
My point here is that nowhere on earth is there a successful Islamic model, and the Ottoman empire ended sometime ago. So unless somebody can point out a EXAMPLE of success, then that leaves us assuming that the ideal Islamic structure is pretty much a pipe dream.
At least Capitalism has SOME eamples of success.
Let's see how far we get with this......