Clubber: Except for paying taxes simply because they are no muslim. So much for equality.
Salaamz
Yeah this is a difefrent topic…but just a few comments.
If you noticed i said kids/youths, hence what i meant was if non-islamic education is taught to youngsters who are too young to understand they will be corruptted by the non-islamic ideas eg if at school you told its ok to be gay (UK trying to pass law on that) ,whereas islam says its not ok.
Obviously this will cause confusion in the minds of young muslims.
And as ther is a principle in islam which states whatever leads to a wajib is it itself a wajib, eg to wake up for fajr you need a alarm clock so it wud be be farad(onigation) to buy the alarm clock. In the same way whatever leads to harm is itself haram, so if there is any possibilty of youngsters adopting unislamic ideas from the education curruicla then that wud be haram. And also (dont know exact translation and refrence) but Allah(swt) says: “and protect your family from the fire of hell”…which implies parents should do they upmost in ensuring their childs dont learn unislamic ideas from skool.
Generally seeking un-islamic knowledge like evolution,securlaism,communism,captilism is required in order to expose teh corrupted ideas. And naturally the Khilafah wont teach youngsters these kind of unislamic ideas but odler kis who understand can learn about them. Also generally knowledge like maths,science,tech is not related to any creed, its general so that is allowed.
And finally you mentioned Pakistan,once agian i must mention that Pakistan does not have a islamic system,hence yea people their wil be taught unislamic ideas.
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Clubber: Except for paying taxes simply because they are no muslim. So much for equality.
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jus to tell u..the tax was implied because the nonmuslim would be benefitting from equal military protection, govern. beneficiaries, etc. although, they were not part of the muslims themselves. I dont remmeber what was the percentage but it was very minimal...anyone knows pls inform.
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jus to tell u..the tax was implied because the nonmuslim would be benefitting from equal military protection, govern. beneficiaries, etc. although, they were not part of the muslims themselves. I dont remmeber what was the percentage but it was very minimal...anyone knows pls inform.
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Tax is only due by those who can afford it, hence poeple who r poor dont hav to pay it. Also its is a very tiny tiny tiny amount! ANd if u still got a problem become a muslim!
Discrimination will exist everywhere, and will likely never cease. Muslims in Canada are treated far better than several countries(the good old USA for instance).
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Discrimination will exist everywhere, and will likely never cease. Muslims in Canada are treated far better than several countries(the good old USA for instance).
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Yeah right, thats why all of them were turned away on the Canadian border whilst seeking asylum... Atleast the US grants asylum, but Canada, it just does everything their lords in the US tells them to
Regarding the issue of taxes under Sharia law (in principle, not the way it is currently implemented in any society) - unless i am mistaken, any tax that would be imposed upon nonMuslims would go towards the upkeep and construction of their places of worship. Taxes upon Muslims go towards the payment of zakat/charity. Is this inaccurate or is this correct?
As for any nonMuslim who does not wish to pay the jizya - well, that is her/his choice.
Here’s an interesting excerpt from a writing of the respected scholar, John Esposito (professor of Religion and International Affairs at Georgetown):
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Yeah right, thats why all of them were turned away on the Canadian border whilst seeking asylum... Atleast the US grants asylum, but Canada, it just does everything their lords in the US tells them to
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Those seeking asylum in Canada were illegals in the usa. We dont give a **** about them. Why should Canadian tax payers pay for another country's problem. They are more than welcome to apply for immigration like every other person - but we will not grant them entry simply because they decided to illegally enter the US and are now crying for mercy.
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Blatant generalization.
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Those seeking asylum in Canada were illegals in the usa. We dont give a **** about them. Why should Canadian tax payers pay for another country's problem. They are more than welcome to apply for immigration like every other person - but we will not grant them entry simply because they decided to illegally enter the US and are now crying for mercy.
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kakay, then why were the granted asylum before this registration started? Its obvious, Canada's head is stuck up in US's rear... Face it ;)
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**Its obvious, Canada's head is stuck up in US's rear... Face it ;) *
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Kakay, we were sufficiently out of the US's rear to be able to independently make the decision NOT to participate actively in the illegal invasion.
When the issues matter, we do sometimes make up our own minds.
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Kakay, we were sufficiently out of the US's rear to be able to independently make the decision NOT to participate actively in the illegal invasion.
When the issues matter, we do sometimes make up our own minds.
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hehe nadia aunty, I am not a US citizen, nor a Canadian, nor a british for that matter... However, its a fact that Canada will do whatever the US will say...
As for people, I personally think that Americans are much better as people, maybe because of the variety in ethnicities and the fact that the country was established on principles opposite to what the British colony aka Canada was based on...
Just me two cents, kaki jee ;) Wesay I didnt know you were from Canada, How are the mounties up there?
Spock Uncle, yeh Aunty/waanty nahin chalay ga 
i am 22, not 62. 
You can call me baji though. i don’t mind that at all.
i have been residing in Canada since 1994, i.e., for the past nine years. Prior to that, i also resided in the States but only for about a year and a half. Americans may be “much better as people” - i am not so certain about that. Canada isn’t the land of saints either, but there are positive and negative aspects to each country. To attempt to state that Canada always sucks up to the US, is akin (in my humblest opinion) to stating that Pakistan always sucks up to the US as well, particularly post 9-11. We both know that is not accurate, but if the Canadian analogy is accurate - then that means the Pakistan one is as well.
ps- Mounties are quite well, thank you very much. We take pride in our unique cultural aspects. Regarding the variety of ethnicities - spend a week in Toronto and you will find quite a bit of diversity there. The UN had voted Toronto the most multicultural city in the world - beating out New York, etc. And of course - it was just a few years ago, that a report (from the UN?) had stated that Canada was the best country in which to live. 
Nadia baji (no aunty), well I do agree that pakistan does suck up to the US, I mean its not just Pakistan alone… The list goes on and on, and Canada is amongst the top!!! Its true, its true…
As for Toronto and NY, I have been two Toronto three times, and 6 times to NY… Toronto might be good, but I liked NY alot better, and there were various reasons, not just the ppl there (trust me, NYorkers are wicked ;))
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Lagta hai koi laRki warki sai ishq ho gia tha, New York main? Well, to each his own. i consider Canada my home for now, i am sure that causes me to have biases that unduly favour this country.
If you were happier in NY, good for you :k: 
(i sincerely mean that).
"We have yet to enforce discrimination. We learnt our lesson in WW2, clearly the Americans have not. "
How so? Are you claiming that Canada is more ethnically diverse than the US, or provides more opportunities to various ethnic peoples?
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"We have yet to enforce discrimination. We learnt our lesson in WW2, clearly the Americans have not. "
How so? Are you claiming that Canada is more ethnically diverse than the US, or provides more opportunities to various ethnic peoples?
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I meant we have not targeted any race or religion - as America has recently targeted people with a Middle Eastern or Muslim background.
Certain parts of Canada are multicultural. For instance Toronto is the most multicultural city in the world.
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I meant we have not targeted any race or religion - as America has recently targeted people with a Middle Eastern or Muslim background.
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It wasn't the CN Tower that was hit by the terrorists.
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It wasn't the CN Tower that was hit by the terrorists.
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And that justifies what?
^ that justifies that terrorists that coopt a religion need to be weeded out and killed with great diligence. Hope that helps....