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Some info that all canadian citizens need to know before voting for the next prime minister. BE SMART AND DON’T VOTE FOR THE CANADIAN ALLIANCE

For those of you who do not know who Stockwell Day is, he is Canada’s
opposition leader and currently running for Prime Minister of Canada. The election will be on November 27th. If he wins, we will have the most pro zionist PM in the history of Canada. This will hurt Canadian living and
travelling abroad in the long run.

The Toronto Star http://www.thestar.com/editorial/federal/20001031NEW06_NA-DAY.html

Day hits Liberals over Mideast

U.N. vote `embarrassing,’ leader tells Jewish voters

By Tonda MacCharles
Toronto Star Ottawa Bureau
THORNHILL - In a powerful appeal to Jewish voters in Toronto, Canadian Alliance Leader Stockwell Day last night delivered a carefully crafted attack on the Liberal government’s criticism of Israel in the recent violence in the Middle East.

At a nomination meeting in the social hall of a Thornhill synagogue, Day told about 600 people, including many Orthodox Jews and many self-described Liberals, that he found Jean Chrétien’s support of a United Nations resolution condemning Israel ``embarrassing and unsettling.‘’

Day, who rarely uses notes, read from a text and said his position is ``clear and unequivocal.‘’

``We support Israel’s right to exist in peace and security with its neighbours.

And, yes, we recognize the right of the Palestinian people to achieve their legitimate aspirations through peaceful negotiations,'' he said. We call upon the government of Canada to be equally clear in its support for Israel sovereignty at this time of need.‘’

Day called the Oct. 7 U.N. Security Council resolution one-sided'' and unbalanced’’ because it singled out Israel as the sole party to blame in the latest outburst of violence. ``If Canada is to be seen as an even-handed party in the peace process that will be trusted by both sides we cannot support unbalanced resolutions of this kind,‘’ he said, to loud applause.

Day also suggested the resolution has given rise to anti-Semitism, saying ``these developments are not without consequences.‘’

``Here at home, as the Canadian Jewish Congress has noticed, there has been an outburst of anti-Semitic acts in three weeks since (U.N.) resolution 1322, and I want to make it perfectly clear that I deplore and denounce anti-Semitic speech and acts in all forms.‘’

Day chided Thornhill MP Elinor Caplan for not attending a recent meeting of Jewish leaders concerned about Canada’s position. Many in the audience booed at the sound of her name, and called out ``Shame.‘’

Afterward, lawyer John Syrtash said Jews are now asking themselves why we're always voting Liberal.'' He predicted that will change, saying fears that the Alliance party was anti-Semitic have no base. Certain people told us they were anti-Semites, and we do our homework, and we know different now.‘’

Day also endorsed the Jewish community’s desire to fund private religious schools, saying he would bring in tax credits to give parents who pay for private schooling for their children. ``I can assure you from personal experience that I understand educating your children is more than a right, it’s a solemn obligation.‘’

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Well done Hinna.

I was going to start such a thread myself. Just didn't get the time to do it these days.

Since we have a large membership from Canada, I'm curious to see who else is informed about the political goings-on.

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yea..I think its really necessary for us to pay attention to whats going on. if we don’t…we’re the ones that are gonna get screwed over if we don’t vote for the right party.

for more info
check out www.elections.ca www.liberal.ca

Liberal Platform

Our agenda will vault Canada into the new
economy. We will ensure that the new economy
benefits all citizens and that no one is left behind.
We are already succeeding in that new economy.
Our success did not just happen. Canadians made
it happen.

               We will marshal the resources of the national
               government to provide leadership, set bold new
               goals, and ensure that we have the means to
               achieve them. 

               Canada will be a smart country. 

               Canada will have healthy people and a healthy
               environment. 

               Canada will have vigorous communities. 

               Canadians will enjoy proud citizenship, at
               home and abroad. 

               I ask Canadians to compare the Liberal platform and the Liberal
               team for the future with those of other parties. The Liberals will
               give Canadians a stronger country, a more successful economy,
               and a better society. I ask for your confidence and support on
               November 27. 

               Jean Chrétien

more to come

[This message has been edited by Hinna (edited November 08, 2000).]

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**HINNA/ MUZNA/ LIBERAL friends!!!
Good to find out that we have some guppo friends who are politically involved in CANADIAN POLITICS also.

You said it right. SURE he is ....
We Muslims & ethenics must vote & support Liberals.

Do you know that Some Pakistani's are running under Canadian Alliance Banner.
What do you & other think that shall we support those Pakistani Candidates?

By the way do you know Chretien (Candian Prime Minister) has also appologised to the Jewish community leadership about supporting the recent resolution at the U.N.

See how strong are the jewish lobbies around the World.

What a bonanza at U.S.A. elections.....
Lie..ber..man for V.P.?
I think Bush will be a winner...
Awaiting for your & others comments.**

**~~~Performace of good DEEDS avoids the evil ending.~~~

He, who advises for the GOOD, is similar (in rewards)to the doer of it.**
(Sahih Al-Jami 3797 & 3399 resp.)

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Ya..I've finally become interested in Canadian Politics...I guess that world politics course I took last year had a lasting effect on moi! :)

I don't think we should support the Pakistanis because they're under a party which is Jewish inclined.....which means not so good news for us Muslims.

Although the P.M. has apologized to the Jewish community...he does not have a very jewish inclined platform.

I'll try and post some of the other parties platforms.

Watch the English Debate tonite at 8pm....last nite was the french debate...hehe stockwell didn't have that much fun debating en francais! :D

Also..those who are in Toronto...DO VOTE FOR THE NEXT MAYOR.....!!!

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The Jewish lobby is powerful all over the world....of course there will be an influence here in Canada. We are afterall just another extension of the U.S.

No matter how hard we try, Canadians have yet to establish their own identity globally. Trudeau was the last prime minister to attempt that task....and Chretien is the closest we have managed to come to Trudeau.

Day is a strong contender, whether we like it or not. Perhaps not because of his manifesto, but because the public is easily swayed by a "charismatic personality" and young blood. With the likes of Joe Clark still campaigning, God knows we needed some.

I missed the debate......Hinna, post your comments on it please.....

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I caught the last hour and a half of the debate. The main concern on everyone's agenda was the health issue. Stockwell was accused of wanting to privatize...then he brought out a lil poster of Two-Tiered Health care....Joe Clark called him a comedian tryin to push down the issues...

The member for the Bloque Quebecqoi was bringing up issues on Quebec...he's not really a big contender for the elections.

The NDP leader...can't remember her name...she was bringing up issues on Poverty and asking Jean about what his government has done about it.

Jean was talkin about a surplus in $$ after paying the deficit and that money will go to social programs and health care etc.

Overall a good debate....Poor Jean though..he was gettin attacked from all sides

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None of these popular candidates will get my vote.

Simply for the reason that they are all liars, and cheats. And they never deliver what they promise.

So whoever you vote for, you're just voting for essentially the BEST cheat.

As for me. I am casting a NO VOTE, and recommended all that DO NOT PLAN to vote, to caste a NO VOTE instead. At least show the Canadian government that how none of these candidates are worth any of our time.

However, if see a member of the Marxist-Lenninst Party of Canada. I will vote for him/her, however that is unlikely in my riding. At least, they won't make false promises.

Arai

Liberals, NDP, Progressive Conservative, Canadian Alliance, Bloc Quebecoi, Partie les Quebec. Are people you DON'T want to vote in. At least if you don't belei ve in NO VOTES, or not voting for a communistic party, at least give those INDEPENDANT runners a chance, and see what they can do.. Many of tghem actyally have fantastic ideas, but due to their unpopularity, they just fade away.

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Thanks Hinna. I guess it was only expected that the current prime minister would get attacked from all sides.

arai,

By wasting your ballot, exactly what result would you hope to accomplish?

Certainly you don't expect that a majority would cast a "No Vote". What you would be doing is weakening the system so that an in-experienced person might have control in his/her hands.

I would reason that voting for the lesser of two evils is more effective than casting no vote at all.

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ya...voting is the only way that you can get your opinion in. If the particular party you voted for..isn't up to par..then you can go to that party and go what the hell are you doing because you voted for him. And if some anti Muslim, anti-everything that you believe in party is elected then you're screwed.

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So tell me.

If a Thief, and a Murderer were running for an election

and you're giving three choices. Theif, Murderer or NO Vote. You're telling me you would vote for one of these people???

a NO VOTE is a VOTE. It is a VOTE to NOT TO VOTE. Who cares whether it's your fundamental right. Your fundamental right doesn't say you have to make a moronic decision. Your fundamental right is the RIGHT to vote, which also gives you the right TO NOT TO VOTE.

If your voting, just for the sake of voting. You really don't know what the purpose of Voting is. You're just blindly going to the Voting booths, and just picking a name. HOW EFFECTIVE IS THAT? Why not just flip a coin and decide who should win?

None of these Candidates satisfy me. Truth of the matter is, none of these Candidates really care about the South Asian community anyway. We make up only about 700,000 in Toronto all together (Muslim, Christian, Sikh, Hindu, Jan etc..). We're not a very BIG deal in politics, we're essentially used as you can say "BONUS Votes".

As for teh Liberal party. We all assume the Liberal government likes Indians, because we have membr of parliaments representatives like Gurbax Malhi and others representing the brown folk. Truth of the mattr is, Gurbax Malhi is a USELESS person in the liberal government. He is just there to RACK up the votes in the South Asian especially Punjabi Sikh community. That is what makes Liberal so smart, they recruit many people of various cultures, to get those BONUS votes, which tend to be Election-deciders.

I'd rather if I would consider even voting, to vote for the independant people. Experience has to be built somewhere, and many of these people have good ideas that are never heard. Why is it that we always have to vote for the TOP 3. All we know from experience,, and we had all 3 of these governments in place from what I recal, Liberal, PC, NDP, taht NONE of them did anything good for our country. When Trudeau was in power, he signed the constitution in which Britian loses control over Canada, okay that was a good thing, and he finally decided after who knows how much controversy to remove the head tax employed on immigrants, which the immigrants fought him to have removed. Also Trudeau's true intentions weren't that, but he realize Immigrants made a good contribution to Canadian society, and that by making them pay more is ineffective and they just might goto other countries if they can't afford the head taxes. This is the only reason why Indians, South Asians revere the liberal government, because of Trudeau. The fact of the matter is, Trudeau did all of these things, without the help of Liberal. These aren't Liberal ideas, this wass TRUDEAU'S ideas, an INDIVIDUAL, none of this came form the infamous RED-BOOK that the Liberal party has. And for some ironic reason, all South-Asians think Liberal is great. If Trudeau was independant, you think he would have thought differently? I doubt it. And I know, there are many other trudeau's who are independant who dont get the chance.

As well. Trudeau's main concern of making immigrants happy was. He knew, in upcoming elections, liberals will not win, if they don't win the city of Toronto, which has been the KEY to win in Canada, since almost 45% of the population is in Ontario. And the majority in Ontario being in Toronto, whihc is primarily immigrants.

Cast a NO VOTE on the 27'th. It is the best VOTE.

Arai

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well if you don't think either party is supporting the south asian community...WHY NOT GO AND CORNER one of the Candidiate?!?! I mean there are things as call in radio talk shows where the candidates come on and answer questions..check out cfrb 1010

also many of the candidates are around the country..and if they come to your area...VOICE YOUR CONCERNS...show up where they're gonna be and debate it out.

thats the only way you'll get them to listen...because the media will be there and they will HAVE to answer.

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Muzna said -

" We are afterall just another extension of the U.S."

Aaaaah.......you've shattered my dreams now! :(

I've been to Canada a couple of times in my life and I adore Canadian people and they are world's apart from the Americans! I mean you guys still have the Queen and those troublesome French-speakers.

God forbid that Canada beomes ever becomes another America!

P.S. These Jews get everywhere! Can no honest person express sympathy with the Palestinian cause without being labelled an anti-semite and then have to apologise?

Anyway I will be following the Canadian elections to learn more about Canada :)

[This message has been edited by Malik73 (edited November 12, 2000).]

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I don't agree with Muzna on that point. We are very different from the US.

They focus on themselves while we focus on "us".

They're materialistic while we focus in on the qualtiy of life.

They tend to only know about themselves...and nothing about their Northen Neighbour while we know everything that goes on in their country....

etc
etc
etc

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My comment about Canada being an extension of the United States was in reference to it's political position. Very rarely does Canada take a stand that goes against the USA.

Hinna, as you say, "we tend to know everything that goes on in their country". Ever think of "why" we take such keen interest? Because we are greatly affected by their economy and political condition. Have you ever heard the analogy that if the US sneezes, Canada catches cold? It's very accurate.

As far as the people of Canada go...they are completely different from the yanks, I'm proud to say. Canadian immigration policy encourages multiculturalism whereas new Americans are expected to disappear into "the great melting pot". They are expected to take on a new identity as an American while we remain Pakistani-Canadians, Indian-Canadians, Greek-Canadians, etc.

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Forgot to answer arai's question.

I would likely vote for the Thief. The lesser evil. Under no circumstances would I destroy my ballot and leave the fate of the nation in the hands of those that might elect the Murderer.

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Muzna. That is not exactly true, that Canada follows the US in every concern. I think you haven't been going to your grade 10 history classes a few years back.

Canada did many things the US have condemned them for.

Such as the Cuban Missile Crisis. Canada was told to stop all trade with Cuba. That never happened.

The Juneau/Alaska crisis. In which America decided to steal Canadian land from the top left corner of Canada to add to Alaska, since it was a good oil producing area. Canada had a small war (yes a WAR, with death and everything) with US on that.

Battle of York (although old, but not old enough to consider). When the US tried to invade Canada, and basically steal Toronto from Canada, in which they lost terribly. Afterall, Toronto's original name was York. Hence, that is how NEW York came into being, when they couldn't have our York. :)

If you recall at Trudeau's funeral. Fidel Castro was there, and attended, and even voiced his condolences of our late prime minister. As you can see, Trudeau and Castro were quite good friends, and Canada had no problem with his presence. In addition, Castro walked freely in the crowd, with no protection or numerous body-guards because he felt safe in this country. Whereas the opposite is true if he went to America.

If you ever see Prime Minister Jean Cretien walking down the street, he has TONS of body-guards. I really don't understand why, but I think he's been scared ever since that guy threw a brick in his window lol :)

Canada and America are similar in some ways, but I find the differences more visible. Canada has admitted itself to being a country of immigrants, and that is why Multi-culturalism is encouraged. And America is most definitely a melting-pot.

As for politics are concerned. There is no point in voicing our concerns. They don't really care, politicians only care for VOTES. They will say whatever that would make you happy, and they do something else. Hence, the Pearson International Airport crisis. In which the PC government sold it to private organizations for approximately 200 billion dollars. Ever since then, the private sector increased airport tax and such that it became ridiculous to Canadians why did we have to sell something that we made with taxpayer money. So, the Liberal government jumped in, and their biggest promise was to buy back the Pearson International Airport. They still haven't did that, and we're all still paying ridiculous air taxes. The liberal excuse now is, that because of economical rates, it would cost 1 trillion dollars to buy it back. Another Liberal excuse.

And the best plug the liberal has did is.

This 200$ everyone gets back for tax-cuts. I find this the most hilarious thing Cretien could do, and he made it so obvious. Election time comes around, and he throws in a tax cut.. I wonder why??? Even 200$ is such a ridiculous sum, he should have just kept it, and did somerthing more contributive.. 200$ to each person isn't as constructive as keeping the 200$ from over 20 million canadians and doing something positive for a change. Or at least, reduce to get rid of the GST completely. but, giving us 200$ back, is like trying to BUY our vote.

Also, you would see Cretien now running around with his buddy Mel Lastman, out of nowhere supporting the Toronto Olympic Bid. Funny how, Cretien suddenly took such a grave interest in Toronto and it's tourism industry.

They're all CRYING for votes.

I love watching those campaign commercias, they're hilarious how much both cheaters are trying to make the otehr one look worse.

Have fun..

Vote NO VOTE on 27'th.

:)

arai

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I think basically Stockwell Day and his Alliance have been feeding on the everyday frustrations of Joe Canadian from day one.
By playing pretty boy in the media, Day's gathering support of those who see him as something 'refreshing' or even worse, a saviour. I'm not following all this very closely but I think he's made more than a few glaring errors already.

Placing a wreath in Alexa McDonough's home riding on Rememberance Day? Come on. To make matters worse, lobbying in war citizens' gatherings to get a few went downhill when he was shunned away. He's not as strong a figure to lead Canada as some of his rivals appear to be.

If the Debate is anything to go by, Joe Clark at least seemed to know what he was talking about.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Liberals take it again and Chretien will be gracing our screens. Until the next hockey playoffs anyway.

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Hey people I didn't mean to start a serious debate about Canadian-US relations - I was only pulling Muzna's leg (joke):)

Sorry Muzna :(

Now back to the elections!

[This message has been edited by Malik73 (edited November 13, 2000).]

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Muzna....I think the only true way we are linked up with the states is in the markets. 80% of Canadian exports go to the States...and I believe its around 60%-70% of US products are imported into the Canadian market...all because of that free trade agreement.

"Allah (swt) does not look at your body and face; rather He looks at your heart" [at-Tirmidhi]