Canadian deported to Syria by United States details torture ...

So Syria is good for something after all?
And why is it that you always hear about Canadians getting beaten overseas? Don’t yall have Tae Bo up there? :stuck_out_tongue:
Anyway.. I hope you guys can actually get somewhere with this… seems Americans are too busy arguing about nothing. I hope this isn’t BS (well, I hope it is for Arar’s sake.. er.. you know what I mean)

Canadian deported to Syria by United States details torture, calls for public inquiry](http://infobrix.yellowbrix.com/pages/infobrix/Story.nsp?story_id=43325884&ID=infobrix&scategory=The+Iraq+Situation&)

A Canadian citizen deported to Syria last year by the United States spoke publicly about his experience for the first time Tuesday, claiming he was tortured and calling for a public inquiry.

Maher Arar, who spent a year in Syrian custody after being detained while traveling through New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport in September 2002, choked up several times while describing beatings and solitary confinement.

Arar, who returned to Canada last month, believes an overzealous pursuit of terrorists in ned in that country. However, he was never charged, and Syrian authorities made no statement when they released him.

Arar’s family and Canadian lawyers accuse Canadian security agencies, particularly the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, of providing information to U.S. authorities who eventually deported Arar. Media reports based on unnamed sources have accused him of being linked to the al-Qaeda terrorist network, which he strenuously denies.

I am not a terrorist. I am not a member of al-Qaeda and I don't know anyone who belongs to this group,'' said Arar, 33, who was born in Syria and moved to Canada with his family at age 17. I cannot believe what has happened to me and how my life and career have been destroyed.‘’

The RCMP’s complaints commission is reviewing the case, and lawyers in Canada and the United States are looking at possible lawsuits focusing on Arar’s deportation to face torture in Syria. He was first flown to Jordan, then turned over to Syrian authorities shortly afterward.

Canadian Parliament members visited Arar in custody in April. Canadian officials say they detected no signs of torture in previous visits with him.

Arar said Tuesday he was beaten with shredded cables and kept in a tiny, dark cell he called ``a grave.‘’

``At the end of each day, they would always say, tomorrow will be harder for you,‘’ Arar said at an Ottawa news conference with his wife, lawyer and a human rights activist at his side.

He said he falsely confessed to going to Afghanistan because of the beatings, and described listening to other prisoners being tortured.

That was one of the worst parts of my imprisonment was just to hear all the people screaming,'' he said. I remember my heart while I was hearing this just wanted to go out of my chest.‘’

While Arar’s house was visited by two RCMP officers in January 2002, when he was out of the country on holiday, he said he had no reason to suspect he was under surveillance or suspected of any wrongdoing. His wife, Monia Mazigh, said Muslims have been questioned routinely by police since the Sept. 11 attacks.

Muslims in general are targeted -- this is a reality,'' Arar said. While he said he was very, very worried for the future,‘’ he also said he believed Canada was ``a country of justice, a country where human rights are respected.‘’

What I went through is just beyond human imagination,'' he said. My priority now is to clear my name, get to the bottom of the case and make sure this never happens again to another Canadian.‘’

Canadian authorities note that an independent inquiry in Canada would lack the authority to compel U.S. officials to testify or provide information.

In New York, a lawyer for the Center for Constitutional Rights said he was looking into the role of U.S. authorities in sending Arar to a country where he could face torture.

The lawyer, Steven Macpherson Watt, said that as a signatory of the International Convention Against Torture, the United States is obligated to avoid deporting people to countries such as Syria that are known to practice torture.

``If this is the case, it is not only a violation of both domestic and international law but it reveals the willingness of U.S. officials to trample on the most fundamental principles of due process and human rights in their scorched earth approach to counterterrorism,‘’ Watt said.

Such a pathetic shame that muslim countries are doing this at the behest of America. First they blame Syria for holding Saddam. Then they say they have the nukes. Then the americans say that Syria needs to go and all this time these bozos are busy torturing innocent muslims.

This is really, really sad - what this poor man and his family have been through.

He was on holiday in Tunis, returning to Canada, via the US. He is a Canadian citizen, holds a Canadian passport. While at the American airport, he was arrested by the FBI - deported to Syria where they tortured him. It is only now that the Canadian government even recalled the Syrian ambassador to express its displeasure. It's really amazing how a Canadian citizen can be treated in this manner - by all three governments: Canada's, the US's, and Syria's. His only "crime" apparently being that he was born in Syria and is Muslim. The RCMP have much to explain and so does Chretien's government. i just find it so sad how peoples' civil liberties are disappearing infront of our very eyes...especially in the very countries who trumpet themselves as being the most democratic. Higher standards are expected of them.

A full independent inquiry should be held, at once, of the actions of both the RCMP and CSIS.

First a Canadian Muslim journalist gets bludgeoned to death by Iranian authorities. Now, a Canadian Muslim gets tortured by Syrian authorities. Time for the Canadian government to do a little more than politely registering its diplomatic outrage.

Agree completely.

Also time for the US government to stop deporting people to countries where they know torture is widely practised by the state and its apparatus (police etc). Also time for both the Canadian and American governments to apologize - the former for not protecting its citizens abroad, and the latter for arresting a man based upon absolutely no charges.

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Agree completely.

Also time for the US government to stop deporting people to countries where they know torture is widely practised by the state and its apparatus (police etc). Also time for both the Canadian and American governments to apologize - the former for not protecting its citizens abroad, and the latter for arresting a man based upon absolutely no charges.
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Not surprisingly, I have to partially disagree. If we had to stop deporting people to their home countries if the home countries were known to practice torture, there'd be darn few people deported and we'd be stuck with them. Where, for instance, would we deport a Pakistani to? Where do we deport a Saudi terrorist to? I think you yourself have voiced the opinion that those held in Guantanamo should be repatriated to their countries of origin. Don't most of those countries practice torture? (If we should have deported Arar to Canada instead of Syria and made a mistake, I think an apology is in order.)

I do agree that it's time for Canada to do something to protect its citizens abroad. If they can't get the UN Security Council to adopt a resolution that does so, Canada has my full support in sending troops to Iran and Syria and anywhere else Canadians are murdered and tortured.

What a sick case ....
That's the US government for you, deport a guy to get tortured and serve solitary confinement for 1 year. His crime? Not even to be charged with terrorism, simply suspected with some vague links to a terrorist,,,
There goes justice for all..... I think they should requalify their values and say, Freedom, Equality and Justice (If you are White American)....

Boo! Hiss!

Down with Arab torturers!

That was the point, right?...

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Agree completely.

Also time for the US government to stop deporting people to countries where they know torture is widely practised by the state and its apparatus (police etc).

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It is also time for pious muslims keyboarding in their cozy homes in a great country like Canada, to condemn countries like Syria who torture innocent people who were born in Syria and came home by mistake.:-)

MyVoice, One thing should have been very clear from the beginning i think - Maher Arar carries a Canadian passport, he is a Canadian CITIZEN and therefore entitled to all the corresponding citizenship rights. Legally speaking, as per his passport, his "home" is Canada - that's where he should have been deported to.

Your country's government issues annual reports on Syria's involvement with terrorism; the State Dept. reports always clearly state that Syria is a country that engages in torture. They sent a Canadian man to this country knowing full well that the security apparatus practices torture.

>>If they can't get the UN Security Council to adopt a resolution that does so, Canada has my full support in sending troops to Iran and Syria and anywhere else Canadians are murdered and tortured.<<
Canada has my full support in sending troops to countries (US) who see nothing wrong in deporting Canadian citizens to thirdparty countries where torture is routinely practised.

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First off, don’t make judgements about me. Muchas gracias.

Secondly, please quote any post of mine where i have ever praised the Syrian government. Do you think i condone torture ? Do you think i am happy that the Syrian government tortured this man? Please read my comments again before passing judgements about what i do and do not believe. i would really appreciate it. :flower1:

Nadia, the Canadian Government officials said he had not been tortured.
Who would you believe, him or the Canadian officials?

Secondly, the reason why he was deported to Syria and not Canada was that he held dual nationalities so I guess they must have went with the earlier one; it really depends on what the law states on this matter.

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**Nadia, the Canadian Government officials said he had not been tortured. Who would you believe, him or the Canadian officials?
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Him.

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Secondly, the reason why he was deported to Syria and not Canada was that he held dual nationalities so I guess *they must have went with the earlier one; it really depends on what the law states on this matter.
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i don't think they went with the earlier one. Sorry, but i don't believe just because he had Syrian citizenship earlier, it justifies their decision to deport him to a country where they KNEW that torture is widely practised. Even the US State Department itself comes out with annual reports that explicitly state Syria practices torture. i mean, you don't send a guy to a country of his original citizenship where he could face torture just because that country happened to be his first home; the torture outweighs any 'first passport' argument. He is a Canadian citizen as well, he did not have to be sent to Syria. The only reason, IMHO, that he was sent to Syria and not Ottawa is precisely because they knew that he would be tortured in Damascus, Ottawa would never physically touch him. Plain and simple - no citizen of any country deserves to be deported to somewhere where the government practices torture. When the US became a signatory to the Convention against torture, i think this was one of the stipulations they agreed to. Dual citizenship or not. That is part of the law - you don't send someone to a country where they may face torture being practised on them. An easier option would have been to fly him north across the border into the hands of an RCMP officer, how long would that have taken? Surely less time, money, and effort than to deport him all the way back to Damascus.

You dont trust the Canadian authorities? I might agree with you, for Canada provided info on this person in the first place to their masters.

When a law is perfectly clear on something, it cannot be bent. You said ‘you don’t send someone to a country where they may face torture being practised on them’, your statement is humanitarian, but if these immigration ppl act all humanitarian, you wont see all the fuss going on about deportation and all. This guy is not the only one they sent back, they probably do it every day. And no, they dont feel sympathy and base their decisions on where that guy would feel more comfortable (canada or syria), they follow the book.

Lastly, you said he was sent to Syria so that he would be tortured; I mean if torture is what they wanted, they could have kept him there and tortured him.

oh, and btw this is for you :flower1:

i’ll ignore this comment because i don’t want to get into another Canada-vs-US argument with anyone. Especially not in a thread opened by someone i respect.

My reason isn’t humanitarian, Spock. The Convention against torture does not permit signatories to deport individuals to countries where torture is practiced. That is the LAW speaking, not nadia h. That is the LAW. You sign up to the law, you are expected to adhere to it, and no one should accuse me of expecting that the US - a signatory to this Convention - is expected to live upto the law. That’s the difference between rogue states and nonrogue states, isn’t it? The former adhere to the law, the latter make up their own laws and play by their own rules. Surely you are not implying that the US is a rogue state?

Convention states in an explicit manner: you are not permitted to deport someone, even if he is a full-blown “terrorist”, to a country where torture is widely practised. Period. End of story. i am sorry to say but here’s a reality check for Dubby: his administration is not the exception to this rule. It applies equally to all signatories.

And deal with all the international uproar and HRW and Amnesty on their tail? No way. Far easier to deport him to a thirdparty country that will do its dirty work for them. Same reason they keep those detainees at Bagram air base in Afghanistan and at Guantanamo; torture can be practiced on individuals there without the worry that Amnesty is going to create an uproar.

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Thank you :flower1:

I wanted to come back to this but I changed my email address in my profile the other day and got locked out :disgust: took me a few days to check my email and realize why I couldn’t post! :smack:

Oh well.. looks like Nadz did a good job of things, thanks :wave: :flower1: :flower1:

Muslims torturing other muslims? I thought only American's did that to Muslims?

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Hey Spoon, welcome back :flower1: i was wondering where you had gone these past few days.

i wanted to ask you - what is your opinion regarding this issue?

>>Muslims torturing other muslims? I thought only American’s did that to Muslims?<<
No, Imdad, the American government likes to hire out other parties to do their dirty work for them. More convenient and less messy that way to hire a middle-party to do the torture.

You go Monia (Maher’s wife).
Hope a public enquiry takes place so people in doubt will know who to believe.
Seems there are 3 culprits here - USA for kidnapping him, Syria for torturing and Canada for being slow in taking up his case.

"New Canadian Heroine Emerges from Arar Case

She cut right through the thicket of stereotypes that would have trumped a less confident hijab-wearing Muslim woman, the wife of a man accused, with no public proof, of terrorist connections.

The next day Alexa McDonough, former leader of the New Democratic Party, rose in the House of Commons to laud Monia Mazigh: "We pay tribute to this remarkable woman.‘’

Despite her high visibility, though, there has been little said or written about Mazigh herself.

``She has inspired Canadians with her unrelenting efforts to raise awareness of what happens when the rights of citizens are trampled in the name of so-called national security. We are all deeply indebted to Monia Mazigh," McDonough said.

“At a meeting when we were discussing the Arar case, a lawyer in the room said, `This woman belongs on the Supreme Court of Canada. She has a wisdom beyond her years, and an impeccable sense of justice and how it is supposed to work.”

"But nothing seemed to me worse than seeing my husband’s rights being deprived. I was very upset, angry and very concerned when I didn’t see any action (by the government on his behalf). I never heard of a Canadian being deported to Ireland because he is of Irish descent.

"Of course, it’s the Americans who did that (sent Arar to Syria). But why was there not strong action to bring him back home?

“To me, it was about due process. A Canadian citizen traveling on a Canadian passport must be treated according to Canadian values.”

She said she kept telling politicians and bureaucrats: “You know, if this man has done something wrong, bring him to Canada and judge him here.”

Nonetheless, “Muslim attitudes here must change. We have to take the wonderful opportunity of democratic Canada to get educated and protect our rights.”
…"

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1123-04.htm

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He is making it all up. US does not engage in torture of innocent people. What is that you say? He was not innocent? See his problem is that he is a Muslim...that is enough for people like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and that other Gen Boykin joker to state that he is guilty