This learner person said it was ok to get a Riba based mortgage and to take out life insurance.
You shouldn't take peoples 'opinions' as fact.
I'll get you references if you want them.
Ahmed
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What I was afraid of was that if I send your question to The Learner, he may direct me to the above question to find the answer. In any case, I have already sent the following question to him:
Is this question satisfactory? Please quickly tell me any amendmants that you wish to be made. Thank you kindly.
Cooldude
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I think the scholar can speak for himself here:
*"Nevertheless, all the opinions that I express on my web site, whether in response to questions or in my articles, are based solely upon the directives entailed in the Qur’an and the Sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh). Those who send me their questions and ask me for my opinions are, generally, aware of the fact that I am neither an adherent of any particular juristic school, nor do I promote such adherence. This is precisely what I imply with the following introductory statement at the opening page of my web site:
“At ‘Understanding Islam’, we present the explanation of Islam in the light only of the Qur’an and the Sunnah of the Prophet Mohammed (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him).”
Moreover, on the ‘Submit Your Question’ page at ‘Understanding Islam’ we have written:
“At ‘Understanding Islam’, Questions are answered on the basis solely of our understanding of the Qur’an and the Sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh) Please do not ask for fatwas (opinions) according to the understanding of any sect or juristic school..”
I am sure that the above statement should clarify the issue, beyond any doubt.*
They shoot partypoopers, don’t they?
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I have doubts about the ‘even after Islam’ part.Is it so in the case beofre us?
I would like a clarification regarding status of money earned before and after accepting islam.
Thanks.
I have first some explaining to do… When I sent the question above, there was already somebody else who had sent a very similar question just a little while before. Since the content of the other person’s question was similar, although more general in terms, the scholar asked me instead to refer to that particular response. Sorry.
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http://www.understanding-islam.com/re/e-073.htm
Question:
*My question is related to another question that was recently asked to you by someone else regarding using illegal income sources to fund Islamic causes. The illegal source used in that question was robbery, and you specified in your answer that there was no concept of an Islamic Robin Hood.
However, my question is regarding money that is earned legally, but via un-Islamic sources of income. Examples could be income made via interest, selling beer and alcohol, singing and doing concerts in mixed crowds, or indulging in any other number of un-Islamic acts, that while do demand that you work for the money, are nonetheless haraam in Islam.
My question is: Can the money earned from such sources be used to fund Islamic causes, say build a mosque or fund an Islamic school or send to Palestine? Can a ‘haraam’ source of income be used to fund an Islamic cause?
Akif Mushtaq, USA*
Reply:
*Your question entails two separate possibilities: Firstly, whether an Islamic organization can earn money through a source of income – with which it funds its Islamic activities – which is declared to be prohibited by the Shariah? As, for instance, earnings through investments in interest based securities etc. Secondly, whether an Islamic organization can accept donations from a person, who has declared or is known to have earned his income from a source declared to be prohibited by the Shariah?
As far as the first situation is concerned, I would consider it an act of clear transgression on the part of the management of such Islamic organization. An Islamic organization must not own any source of income which is clearly prohibited by the Shari`ah.
As far as the second possibility is concerned, i.e. whether an Islamic organization may accept donations from a person, whose income has been earned from a source declared to be prohibited by the Shari`ah, the situation may further be categorized into two groups:
1. Where the sources of income of the person are not known to the management of the organization; and
**2.**Where the sources of income of the person are known to the management of the organization.
In the first case, because it is not necessary for the organization to determine the source of income of each individual, who donates to its cause, therefore, it may accept donations from any individual, who may like to donate to it without ascertaining his/her source of income. In such a case, it is possible that the management of an Islamic organization, due to its lack of knowledge of the sources of an individual’s income, may accept his donations, even though his income is derived from sources, which the Shari`ah declares to be prohibited.
In the second case, where the source of income is known to the management of the organization, the decision of acceptance or non-acceptance of the donation from such an individual, in my opinion, should rest on the attitude of the individual toward the directives of the Shariah. If the individual in question is repentant of his sin of being involved in earning through a source, which the Shariah had declared to be prohibited, and wants to dispose of the money so earned, without spending any part of it on himself or his family, then the organization may accept money from such a person. On the other hand, if the individual has an attitude of transgression toward the directives of the Shariah and, thus, considers it allowable for himself to take interest or earn through any other available means, irrespective of their standing in the Shariah, then he may be requested to spend his money in some other cause, except in the cause of Islam.
A close examination of the foregoing opinion would show that it is, in fact, not the prohibited source of one’s earnings but one’s attitude toward such earnings that should play a decisive role in whether or not his donations be accepted by an Islamic organization. The reason for which I ascribe to this opinion is that a donation, from whatever source it is generated remains a donation. A donation generated from income through interest does not become interest for the organization, which accepts such donation; it remains a donation. Nevertheless, accepting donations from an individual is to give such individual patronage of the concerned organization. Patronage of an Islamic organization, in my opinion, should not be given to those individuals whose disregard of the directives of the Shari`ah are publicly known and acknowledged.
I hope this helps.
Regards,
The Learner*
They shoot partypoopers, don’t they?
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Partypooper,
Thank you for posting this reply here.I have to say I am impressed by the reply of the learner in this case.It is a very good and comprehensive reply.
I hope this answers Eastern Analog's question satisfactorily.
Yes, it does answer my question.
The scholar talks of 2 different situations.
<<1. Where the sources of income of the person are not known to the management of the organization; and
2.Where the sources of income of the person are known to the management of the organization.<<
And both the situations the person talks about are from the receiver's view point. If the receiving establishment has no idea of the source of the money, they have no choice but to accept it as a donation earned from proper sources.
Whereas, if the establishment does have knowledge of the source to be illegal, then the scholar says that as long as "the individual in question is repentant of his sin of being involved in earning through a source, which the Shari`ah had declared to be prohibited, and wants to dispose of the money so earned, without spending any part of it on himself or his family,. I would like to question the scholar on whether in such a situation, the giver will receive sawab for it or not. Common sense tells me that there wont be a sawab in this case, since the source of that income was a prohibited one. And that is akin to what I already wrote in a previous post, that people do engage in such practices, where they get rid of their ill-gotten wealth, without expecting any sawab in return.
Anyway...the issue as i raised it, was directly linked to Cat Stevens...who to this day, earns money via royalties and music sales that he established prior to accepting Islam. That to me, does not sound like repentance. If he has realized it to be an unislamic practice, then yes, he can use the money he has already earned to use for islamic causes without any expectation for sawab, but he should put a stop to any further income from those sources....and switch to something thats Islamic.
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