According to some, they can.. Only after they have died.
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Originally posted by Al-Farooq:
** Its Madinah, not Makkah**
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Yes, It was my mistake.
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sorryy i could not get you please translate it
mujhe aapki baatoN ki samajh to aai hai magar itni nahin keh maiN aapki baat ko poori tarah samjhe bagHair koi baat kar sakooN
aur jahaN taak bad-roohoN ki baat rahi na to mera koi aqqeeda hai un oer aur na hi wo hoti haiN uss shakal mein jsiss mein aap keh rahi haiN..aur na hi maiN ne koi aissi baatkahi jiss se aap ne yeh nateeja akHaz kiya ?
bahar haal aap urdu meiN agar baat jaari rakhna chaahein to maiN haazir hooN
Tasneef, its better agar aap kissi english-samajne wale ya wali ko pakar ke , computer ke tarahf laaye -- wohi translate karlainge aap ke liye.
Filhaal, meri urdu itni bhi achi nahi, ke mein itna lamba message urdu mein translate karloon. sorry.
Someone above cited videos on Kashmir showing women getting hysterical.
Not every one dies in a war-like atmosphere. These women are crying out more at the injustice of the death, rather than the death itself. If you look around, you'll see men doing the same. Its just that no one takes pictures of the men, cuz its just not "manly". Its called "male dominated culture"
Its also propaganda. You get more international sympathy when you show the world the pain of the mothers and sisters and daughters, instead of male relatives.
Also, a muslim couple died recently, and in the community papers - the photographer had pictured the son crying hysterically. So this behavior is not specific to women, but specific to those who dont hold on to "sabar", or patience during such stressful times.
I found some ref. regarding women visiting graveyard. Fatwa is per Mazhab e hanafi.
In the Hanafi school, it is permitted for women to visit the grave, as long as they are properly dressed, and ensure that there is no undue intermixing with non-mahram men, and that they do not behave inappropriately, such as wailing.
In the Fatawa al-Hindiyya, considered one of the foremost references for fatwa in the Hanafi school, it says,
"The scholars differed about women visiting graves. al-Sarakhsi (Allah have mercy on him) said that the soundest position is that it is not wrong." (5: 350)
In al-Sarakhsi's own al-Mabsut, he says,
"The soundest opinion in our school is that the dispensation (to visit graves) is present for both men and women, because it has been related that `A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) used to visit the grave of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace) at all times, and that when she went on Hajj she visited the grave of her brother Abd al-Rahman (Allah be pleased with him)..." (24: 10)
Among that which shows that women's visiting graves is not unlawful is the hadith narrated by Anas (Allah be pleased with him) that, "The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) passed by a woman who was crying by a grave. He said, 'Fear Allah and be patient.'" (Reported by Bukhari and Muslim) The permissibility is understood, as the fuqaha tell us because he did not forbid her from visiting the grave, and had it been unlawful it would have been obligatory for the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) to forbid her.
AuratoN ka QabroN per Jaanaa go fi-nafsa mashrou hai magar Awaariz-e-kHaarjiaa ki wajah se gHair-Mashruu hai jaissaa keh Masaajid meiN jaana aur jama'atoN meiN shareek honaa, balkeh Maqaaabir per jaane meiN Mafaasid ziaada haiN kiouNkeh aamooman Maqaabir jungloN mein hote haiN jahaaN Namoos ka ziaada kHatraa hai.
Hadees ( BukHaari Shareef Page:558 Chapter 815)
ham se Qabeesaa-bin-Uqbaa ne biyaan kyia , kaha ham se Sufiyaan sori ne unhooN ne kalid kHuda'a se unhooN ne um-ulhazeel Hifsaa bint-e-Sireen se unhooN ne Umm-e-Attiya se unhooN ne kahaa hamko JanaazoN ke saath jaane se manna kyia gaiya , magar takeed se manna nahiN kiyaa gaiya
aur Janaab Pyaari CGudyaa..aap kHamkHwaa meri BaatoN ka UlTaa matlab le rahi haiN maiN ne yeh nahI kahaa tha keh aisaa hi hogaa...maiN ne kaha tha keh yeh mera nuqtaa-e-nazar hai so maiN ne byaan kar diya..
aur ab aap yeh propaganda band kiyje jo aap ne uThaa rakhaa hai...!!! na to yahaN kissi Mard ne Islaam se haT kar koi zer kahi hai na koi zabbar !! wohji baat kahi hai jo Ahaadeees-e-Qudsiaa se saabit ho ti hai
Aurat ki gawaahi ka Byaan
(Sahih Bukhaari Chapter 1656 page 1056)
Aur Allah talla ne (Suta Baqraa meiN )farmaiya, agar Do mard na hoN to aik Mard aur do uarateiN sahih!!
ham se Saeed bin Ibbi Mariyam ne byaan kiya :- kahaa hamko Mohammad bin Ja'afar ne kHabar di:- kahaa mujhko Zaid bin aslam ne unhooN ne Ayaaz bin Abadullah se, unhooN ne Abbu Saeed Hazri se unhooN ne AaN-Hazrat (Saw) se :- Aap ne farmaiyaa keya Aurat ki Gawaahi Aadhe mard ke barabar nahiN hai :- hamne Arz kiya be-shak Aaadhe mard ke baraabar hai:- Aaap (saw) ne farmaiyaa bass isi se maloom hotaa hai keh Aurat ki Aqqal kam hai---
Thats all
[This message has been edited by Tassneef (edited July 24, 2002).]
Two women's bayaan equals one man's bayaan, because of the low illiteracy and lack of education and understanding of jurisdiction at THAT TIME.
As Islam promotes education of both sexes, this rule shouldn't hold true when an educated woman is a witness, and only when an uneducated woman is a witness.
Please try and understand the history behind the ayah. Many rules were set in place due to the conditions of that society. Some of these conditions dont exist anymore.
There is no other LOGICAL reason for 2 female witnesses equaling one male witness. If there is, let me know. And dont tell me women are lower in understanding than men, because there is no such statement in the Quran.
Secondly, you certainly have put up a hadith about ladies not being allowed to go to a burial. I'd like to ask the reasoning for this. And again, dont tell me its because ladies make a scene at the burial. When emotion overcomes men, they make a scene too.
Its very possible that whoever narrarated the hadith may have misunderstood the prophet's words. AS there is no Quranic proof to validate the hadith, (if so, please show me), then how can one even prove that this hadith is authentic?
I'm asking serious questions, i'm not mocking, so please dont get offended.
PCG yeh Hadeeth maiN ne nahiN banaai bkhaari shareef emiN darj hai yeh hadith aur is Suraah ki Tashreeh mai ne nahi ki Aan-huzoor saw ne ki hai…aur main ne issko iss lyie darj kiya hai keh aap ke Ilm ko dekhte huwe aap per yeh Hadith saadir aati hai ..kiiounkeh kam-ilami ka muzaahiraa aap kar rahi haiN maiN nahin aur kiss ne keh diya keh uss zamaana ke log kam-ilm they?
yeh quraaan hi to Ilm ka kHazaanaa hai
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Rahi baat aurat aur mard ki equality ki wo maiN ne to baat nahi uThaai thi aur main ne kahin nahi kaha tha keh aurat yeh hai ya wo hai..aap hi uss had ko pohanchi haiN
aur equal iss tarah haiN mar aur aurat keh ..jo aqooq aurat ke haiN wo aurat ko Islaam ne diye hain jinko nibhaana mard ka farz haiN
aur aurataoN per farz hai un haqoooq ki pabandi akrna jo amrd ke ylei banaaye gaye haiN.
Magar maiN ne jo baat kahin thi wo general thi aur ussko maiN Islaam ki Roo se akHaaz kyia thaa
laazmi nahiN hotaa keh baat ussi tarah hi ho..magar baaz hadeeseiN Mua’aakhiz ke taur per bhi byaan ki jaati haiN…! aur aksariyat jo maiN ne kaha tha keh yeh wajoohhat ho saktin hain unse mutfiq hi hai..magar aap jo keh rahi haiN..wo aik educated (yani keh parhaa likhaa andhaa) to shaiyad maan le ..lekin koi aqal-e-saleem rakhne waala un baatoN ka qayal nahi ho saktaa.
aur hamaari behass yahiN per khatam ho jaati hai kiounkeh aap kuch behassi lagti haiN agar aapko itna hi shauq hotaa apna mantaq byaan akrne ka to aap ussi Zubaan mein kartin jiss ki dono ko samajh aati ..lehaazaa..Miss take your way and do what you ever like..maiN ne kissi per pabandi nahi lagai allright?
aur agar meri baat ke kHilaaf aapne koi baat karni hai to Danishmandi aur ikhlaqq ka yahi taqaaza hai keh ussi zubaan mein baatkarein jiss meiN sawaal uThaiya gaiya hai ya jo doossre ko samajh aayee
ALLAH HAFIZ
[This message has been edited by Tassneef (edited July 25, 2002).]
I give up. Your urdu is too complicated for me, Tasneef.
Perhaps when you write in English, I'll be better able to respond. Until then, whatever rocks your boat, my friend.
well it is in QURAN tht women should not go to graveyards i accepted tht widout any further investigation , coz thts wat muslims are supposed to do.
"i LoVe ThE SOUND Of A BrEaKiNg gLaSS"