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Originally posted by Degas:
** .. ok am not following him! so what that means..
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The meaning is obvious....
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He also said this..
"I am that same prophet , the very Incarnation of the "Seal of Prophets" and twenty years back in the Book Baraheen-i-Ahmadiah, I was called by God by the names of Muhammad and Ahmad and was declared by God Himself to be the very prophet in fresh and blood."
(Eik Ghalati-ka-Izala, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
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Well the word here is not incarnation but reflection ('zil' in arabic) and we know that although the reflection is same as actual but is nothing in itself, it existance is only due to the actual. This is what Mirza Sahib has said here. So there is nothing wrong in it. All of us have this goal i.e. to follow the footsteps of the Holy Prophet pbuh in such a way that we become exactly like him. This is what every muslim tries to do. Because he is the role model for us. But we can never reach the status he had, we could only become his reflection as all we would be at that stage would be because of him.
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"It is a fact that Muhammad(pbuh) worked only three thousand miracles... My Miracles exceed one million in numbers."
(Ijaze-e-Ahmadi, Page 79; Tadhkira tul Shahadatain, Page 41)
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Whats your point here????? If u have any objection on the comparison of miracles then its baseless. Number of miracles is not a concern while comparing prophets. Its the strenght and greatness of miracles that matters. And we all know that a single miracle of Hazrat Mohammed PBUH i.e. Quran, superseeds all the miracles by all the prophets. So its no good trying to deduce from this extract that Mirza Sahib is naoozbillah comparing himself with the Holy Prophet. Dont put words in others mouth.
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"It is possible for a man to attain a spiritual position higher than any other man; if any man wishes, he can rise even above Muhammad(pbuh)."
(Daily Al-Fadl, Jul 17. 1992, Mirza Basheer al-Din Mahmud Qadiani)
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Well, as bismah has rightly said, you must have the actual references before you while you make any objections. All you have done here is that u have given an inncomplete extract here. What follows this statement is that although the possibility for a man to attain a spiritual position higher than any other man and even above Muhammad(pbuh) is there but no mother has given birth to person who could do that and none will do so in the future.
So u see you have entirely changed the meanings of his speech by hiding a part of it as what is being said in actual is 180 degrees opposite to what u r trying to deduce.
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"As for him (Muhammad), the moon was eclipsed but for me, two bright moons have eclipsed (solar eclipse). How dare you deny it? If his Kalam (words) were a miracle, a sign, my Kalam is also a miracle."
(Ijaze-e-Ahmadi, Page 79)
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Same a the one on miracles above.
[This message has been edited by sadeyes_neverlie (edited August 05, 2002).]
.. at least no one besides jews object to the truth of Jesus.. check his status from Quran.. musims love Jesus and our iman is not complete until we believe in Jesus..and what bout Mirza !