yes I suppose there is no ruling against it, but one can say that religion does not permit them to harm themselves and consuming meat that is going to have adverse affect on their wellbeing is hurting themselves and therefore they are not going to consume meat, no issue there.
Oh you were talking from the health implication of that feed. yes you are right. Taking care of ourselves is far more bigger sunnat than the sunnat of eating meat.
Oh you were talking from the health implication of that feed. yes you are right. Taking care of ourselves is far more bigger sunnat than the sunnat of eating meat.
Perhaps common sence (a gread blessing of Allah) should always be used before making decisions. No for example if you think meat is currently not good for your health ie your stomach will have problem diggesting then obviously you will do what is right for you.
Here some people are implying that since we are unsure of the way the animals were kept and fed so it is better to stay away from meat. My question for them is that, are they very sure of the conditions under which the vegetables are planted. nature of soil and things that have become part of that soil before the plantation took place. Moreover, how about pesticides and germicides sprayed on them. how about chemicals put in the soil as fertilizers. How about 'organic fertilizers' that contains feces of animals as well.
Certainly, some level of surety is good to be on the safe and healthy side but this criteria applies to both animals and vegetables.
I can find and post an article that I read a while ago related to your questions...I'll do it in the evening inshallah...
Hareem Ji we are waiting.....
I can guess that you will reply after Eid ul Adha.....:)
why NOT? being vegetarian is JUST FINE!!! u can eat anything except that is declared Haraam by Allah...Halaal doesn't mean that one must worry about Halaal meat while he has money earned in a Haraam way...
jeb meN Haraam kaa maal rakh kar Halaal gosht kii dukaan DhoonDhnaa is moronic indeed! and i'm afraid a large majority in our countries and around the world are just doing that without even realizing...SAD! :(
Right Hashmat Bhai........question that also comes to mind is whether Allah Subhanahu wa Taala prefers that we eat the bounties that are provided to us all ............and meat being one of those bounties?
You can eat whatever you like apart from what is declared Haraam. However in essence if you say that I will not Chicken because you think its not right for your health or its cruelty against animals which most of the vegetarians think then this is against the teachings of Islam. Allah has created these things for us to eat and surely they bring positive changes in our lives.
Yes you are right! d-tox..ed is also a consideration we should all be detoxed!
I agree with de_tox-ed. Moreover, both animal and vegie source foods are important for our well being. I remember, a doctor told me that excluding all animal source foods (including eggs and milk) will have adverse effect on health.
I have seen children (European) raised in a strictly vegetarian Family in the US, they did seem different in physical stature a bit on the frail side.
I will agree with de-tox..ed.. you as a muslim are allowed to eat whatever you like to eat, apart from things which are declared haram by Almighty Allah. You can choose to be vegetarian, or choose not to eat vegetables at all. However, thinking that eating meat is unhealthy or that eating meat is a cruel act as de-tox..ed said, is not wat a Muslim is allowed to be saying or thinking. Rest, you got the money, u feel like eating meat, go ahead, eat halal meat, but u dont wanna eat?..no problem whatsoever. Go veggie my friend.
Yes choices are always ours to make!
No you can't.
Eating meat is a Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammed PBUH.
I agree it is a Sunnah of our Holy Prophet (PBUH)..........but the Holy Prophet PBUH would go without food for days .........so much so that he would tie a rock to his stomach to keep hunger pangs from bothering him!
How many of us have ever done that?
Yes u can be a vegetarian. Sunnah is not fardh. Nobody that i know that eats meat to earn swaab.
Well Popat Bhai Sahib I understand your point however we are taught that when ever we sit down to eat we should recite Bismillah arahman nirraheem! and all the act of eating becomes an ibadat!........Right?
One should read Surah Al-Kausar, specialy 2nd Aya and then decide.
Yes Allah has odered us to sacrifice an animal!
so in order not to waste it.......................you can give it all away to the needy! ..Right?
one can stop eating meat on religious grounds if the meat is coming from cattle and poultry which is being maltreated. the conditions at large meat processing plants, poultry farms etc are such that if someone decides that they cant be part of that and become vegetarian then i think it is in keeping with general islamic principles. what do you say?
one can also stop eating if there is a high chance of harm due to that meat, because in religion you are supposed to care for your health so not consuming something that will hurt you is in line with religion e.g. with mad cow disease
so that can extend to someone saying that genetically modified food can be dangerous and the hormone and antibiotics pumped grain fed cattle and poultry is going to have a bad impact on them and stop eating it on those grounds, whats wrong with that?
I read somewhere that it was animal brains amoung other organ meats that were being all ground up and fed back to fatten the cows ........which caused the Mad Cow desease!
Peace aishamubarak and Mr.Popat
The condition for vegetarianism in Islam is split between the two conditions you two have detailed.
It is indeed rewardable to eat halal meat with the intent of undertaking Sunnah, at the same time it is prohibited to reject meat as though one has made it haram on oneself ... however, to choose to live on a meat free diet whilst holding on to the idea that it is good and permissible to eat halal meat ... on these grounds it is okay to be a vegetarian ...
Muslims should really eat meat between a few times a year to as much as may be once a week ...
However, we take the eating of meat to excess. If we want to follow the Sunnah we should look at the frequency of eating meat as well as the fact of what can be eaten and on what conditions.
Yes true!....... and Rasul Allah (PBUH) said (more or less as I understood) You are the Moderate Ummah.......that does not go to extremes in their actions!
oh yeah and lastly there is no compulsion in religion, and eating meat is not farz, so there is no reason you cant be a vegetarian and be a muslim. people even now choose not to eat things that are allowed, some ppl dont eat beef, some dont like mutton, some dont like chicken or turkey, some dont like venison..etc etc..they chose not to eat them due to personal preferences. If someone has a personal preference to not eat meat period..thats not an issue ..period
Thanks Pir Sahib for the elaboration!
Here some people are implying that since we are unsure of the way the animals were kept and fed so it is better to stay away from meat.
it was not "some people" it was I. :) There was no implication or cal to action to stay away from meat, but a statement that if one has concerns about the meat that is available to them, then they can refuse to eat it.
My question for them is that, are they very sure of the conditions under which the vegetables are planted. nature of soil and things that have become part of that soil before the plantation took place. Moreover, how about pesticides and germicides sprayed on them. how about chemicals put in the soil as fertilizers.
Since the discussion was about meat, thats what I focused on, the thread is about, but yes the same considerations apply to vegetables as well. If is is a concern that certain genetically modified veggioes and fruits are creating issues, or the way certain vegetables are being processed is spreading salmonella etc, it is just common sense to not eat them. If vegetables are coming from a can, and it is full of preservatives and you have concerns about the preservatives, dont eat them.
How about 'organic fertilizers' that contains feces of animals as well. .
However, to really clarify one thing, the issue is not with having feces in animal feed, that is not the point. I mean chicken eat all kinds of crap anyway, so do fish, but the impact of having that be a part of animal feed and what the implications are.
Now it usually is not an issue in vegetables but if certain type of fertilizers start spreading things like the mad kadoo disease..well then lets not use those fertilizers for that produce ;)
I read somewhere that it was animal brains amoung other organ meats that were being all ground up and fed back to fatten the cows ........which caused the Mad Cow desease!!
i dont know specifics, but seems like what you note the brains of other cows in the feed defintely was a source of spreading it, but there is some discussion on root causes. The other issue was for when that disease jumps from bovine to humans i.e. cruetzfeldt jakob disease.