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Ibrahim says: Can you believe this?
LOL!
** PRAYING MUSLIMS LEAD TO EVACUATION**
By Ray Henry, The Boston Globe, 5/15/02 http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/135/metro/Praying_Muslims_lead_to_evacuation+.shtml
STOUGHTON - A nervous manager created a stir last night after she saw four Muslim men saying their evening prayers at the BJ’s wholesale club and called authorities, fearing that the group was about to launch a terror attack, officials said.
The manager called Stoughton police, who called State Police. A bomb squad was deployed to the store as it was evacuated. The Stoughton Fire Department also sent a squad of firefighters with a fire truck. Until they called the FBI in Boston, local authorities apparently didn’t know that Muslims typically pray five times a day, including once around sunset, Stoughton Police Lieutenant Francis Wohlgemuth said. Wohlgemuth said that while Stoughton police have handled several bomb threats since Sept. 11, they have not received training on Muslim customs…
Nadia my post wasn't to you or anyone but a general post to those people who are saying we are moderate muslims, who are against Jihad and the Islamic ideology and way of life, we believe in the sovereignty of the Kuffar, now if you do not fit into this then fine my post was not for you !
....then there will be Khilafah Rashidah on the method of the Prophethood. (Ahmad)
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*What can and should Muslims do? Combat Islamophobia by your every action and word - set an example in your own personal sphere of a true Muslim. Most importantly learn more and more about Islam and other religions. Promote Islam in a positive manner via your thoughts, words, and deeds; Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is our best example.
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I just thought it was important to reemphasize the point/purpose this thread rueful smile
ps. Thank you Nadia
Dear Nadia,
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You must study the structure of some sect, of some satanic sect, analyze the pattern. There are many in Canada, States and Europe, usually lead by some Asiatic so called guru. Pls find out how the supremacy of the teacher in the sect is imposed and implemented, how the mind is imprisoned, how a fear conscious is created and an entertaining life is promised in some other world and most of all the pupils are not left with any way to go out.
And just compare all to your beloved religion.
Let us see if you find any similarity!
I am serious.
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With best rgds
Anand
You really must be living on Mars.
What do you think this world offfers you? Let's just forget the religious issues for one split second and evaluate the system in line with your views:
Earn money in order to relieve poverty, therefore Fear poverty.
Earn money in order to enjoy life, therefore the promise of an entertaining life!
Does the above make any sense to you.
Whether it is religious or non-religious, the formula is always the same.
This is HUMAN NATURE!!
Love and Fear are traits.
Thank you for all the flowers, Anand.
I am afraid I see no comparisons whatsoever between the structures of cults - satanic or otherwise - and my religion. Contrary to what some may believe, Anand, my mind is not shackled and Islam places no restrictions upon me to seek genuine knowledge - in fact, according to the Quran, seeking wisdom and practicing upon it is one of my obligations. Islam lays no confinement against me, my mind, or any other part of my soul - you might have noted that I am pretty opinionated and will speak my mind, defending other religions on this Forum even when most Guppies disagree, and debating diverse issues in the WA Forum even when I am considered ‘anti-American’ (whatever that means). You perceive of Islam as the darkness, for me it is the one and only light. No imprisonment of the mind, Anand, not at all; just the opposite in fact.
I doubt we will see eye-to-eye on this my friend so perhaps we should leave it at this before the discussion takes a turn for the worse.
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With regards,
nadia
Actually we must attract people towards Islam, not deflect them from it by showing oue very violent 'jihadi' side. By proclaiming a love for 'kuffar bloos' we are only repulsing them and pushing them furthur away from the light. Has anyone ever tried to show our peaceful loving side. I think not.
F R E S H and ZII,
By talking such things you are hardening the belifs of the others in 'their' faith and branding your religion as bad. Allah dislikes that as he wants everyone to find the right path. Make you religion attractive and get converts. If we dont convert others we will certainly face the risk of total isolation ourselves. Allah loves all his creatures and he wishes his 'good' creatures help the 'bad' ones.........
Erm i think ure names says it all a total state of confucion we should not discuss jihad or show our Jihadi side lol what kind of a muslims are you, Jihad done by the correct method is the second greatest deed in Islam, as for ure statement regarding the conversion reversion doesn't matter what it is called not the issue, it is important for everyone to see the beauty of Islam yes indeed fortake this task but i think the more important matter is the death of countless muslims who die everyday for just being that muslims at the hands of the Kuffara nd it is more apparent than ever that we as muslims need our shining Khilafah to prtect is from the death and the destruction poied by the kuffar and if you are too blind to see that then ia m sorry brother you need some guidance !!!! i think you should read the hadiths about how important the muslim blood is !
wasalaam
....then there will be Khilafah Rashidah on the method of the Prophethood. (Ahmad)
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**Erm i think ure names says it all a total state of confucion we should not discuss jihad or show our Jihadi side lol what kind of a muslims are you, Jihad done by the correct method is the second greatest deed in Islam, as for ure statement regarding the conversion reversion doesn't matter what it is called not the issue, it is important for everyone to see the beauty of Islam yes indeed fortake this task but i think the more important matter is the death of countless muslims who die everyday for just being that muslims at the hands of the Kuffara nd it is more apparent than ever that we as muslims need our shining Khilafah to prtect is from the death and the destruction poied by the kuffar and if you are too blind to see that then ia m sorry brother you need some guidance !!!! i think you should read the hadiths about how important the muslim blood is !
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All human Blood is important my Friend and if you think Muslim blood is much more pure than a non-muslim's than you are frankly quite wrong. That thinking was used by the Jews and look where it got them. They became secular and arrogant. They dont even want to convert people at all.
On the Topic of jihad, You cant call running around killing non-muslims Jihad as you are likely to kill innocents which is very wrong and chances are you will be cursed for killing an innocent unarmed person who ment no harm to you.
The solution to the massacre of thousands of Muslims is not war. It is peace and politics. We must strengthen ourselves and our nations so that no one could dare harm us. We must take control of the muslim economical power and use it o good force, only then will they stop the killings. If we launch an all out war against the US, Israel ect ect chances are we will get nuked and that will kil even more muslims.
Islam forbids muder of any kind be it of a muslim or of a non-muslim. Murder is murder and both ways it shoud be punished. You cant just expect to kill people and then get all fussed up when they kill you back (regardless of who started it). It's highly irregular. show the true islam and you will find some softening of hearts. Trust me. If I were to love a jew, I'm sure he would love me back and would see what Islam is all about. But If I were to hurt him.........
Ok, Nadia, let us not call the monster by its name!
Sometimes I think why a religion needs propaganda work like any consumer item.
VHP people are organizing big rallies, shouting on loudspeakers.
Some beard Mullah tells us on TV network that Islam is the most scientific religion. Though this Mullah knows nothing of mathematics.
A European lady tells us about the benefits of Christianity, and sometimes she jumps on the stage like a clown of circus.
A religion, like a religion must be capable of penetrating the soul. Do not you think so? Why all this hawking?
I suppose you may like that I am not teasing Islam in particular.
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If I can just say a few words, Mr.Anand, I don’t want to disrespect your 'strange' views about Islam but I will say to you that you are being very hypocritical making unfounded assumptions about what Islam entails. What you have done in several threads in the past is to try and castigate the Islamic faith as a medieval, draconian and fundamentalist religion. How wrong can anybody be!!! Pease stop your ignorant attitude towards Islam or any other Religion for that matter. Please LEARN to respect other people’s faiths or beliefs as they would respect yours! Failing which there is no point in having any discussion with you.
I am sorry did i hurt your feeling Erm, i will give you that all human blood is important but we as muslims are more important than the Jews, the christians, as for them becoming arrogant and secular, what world do you live in, we as muslims are already that !!!! We have left our Islam we are getting tortured, killed, our sisters being raped, our sisters going on martydom missions, yet the muslims armies stay sat in the barracks,? I am beginning my friend that either you are very stupid and have lost all sense of reality and been duped by the West or for some reason you want to stay away and deny the mass murders od muslims that take place on a daily basis, Jihad is fighting in the way of islam, Jihadd qitaal that is not financial or verbal of defensive, the Jihad i am talking about is offensive, How do you say we solve the issue of Palestine by sitting round a table witht he kuffar who helped make the state of Israel, the Americans and british or even the peace loving UN lol the same UN which allowed 7000 muslims in Sebrenicia to be handed to over to the serbs and we all know what they did to them !!!!!!! Brother the answers is not in peace with the kuffar that is haraam, the answer is in islam and islam says establish the Islamic state and do Jihad !!! liberate the lands and live in peace working for Islam, yet you propose Western Kuffar solutions, brother i don't know where you get ure knowledge from but i think you better seeks a new source because the way you are speaking i am very dubious where your loyalties lie......
....then there will be Khilafah Rashidah on the method of the Prophethood. (Ahmad)
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Originally posted by Shah Jahan:
**Actually we must attract people towards Islam, not deflect them from it by showing oue very violent 'jihadi' side. By proclaiming a love for 'kuffar bloos' we are only repulsing them and pushing them furthur away from the light. Has anyone ever tried to show our peaceful loving side. I think not.
F R E S H and ZII,
By talking such things you are hardening the belifs of the others in 'their' faith and branding your religion as bad. Allah dislikes that as he wants everyone to find the right path. Make you religion attractive and get converts. If we dont convert others we will certainly face the risk of total isolation ourselves. Allah loves all his creatures and he wishes his 'good' creatures help the 'bad' ones.........**
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"Make your religion attractive" ????
You dont make Islam in any way, Islam is desribed in the Quraan neither you or me can make it more or less attractive. It all depends on the eyes wachting. For sure Allah can make all the kufrs of the world to see the light. You and I would never be able to do so. You can argue a hole lifetime in a nice manner to a person but it dosent mean that the person would adopt Islam, only Allah can make it happen as he do everyday.
The point is very clear " DONT CARE ABOUT WHAT NONMUSLIMS THINK ABOUT ISLAM". Thats not your duty on this earth. Allah has told us in the Quraan "the Yahud and Nazara will never be your friends" thats the reality and nothing else. They will never accept us as long as we dosent "become like them".
I´m not working around and insulting any nonmuslims but I just dont care what they think about Islam. There views upon Islam has nothing to do with the reality of Islam.
Jihad is obligatory in all its forms in Islam if you tell anything else to anybody then you are not telling the truth. If the nonmuslim is scared away by that, you have done your duty anyway. Its not your responsibility anymore.
Dont pack Islam in a way so that you can make it more attractive to nonmuslims. Tell them straight what Islam is about (only if you are asked) and then leave him/her. Allah knows best.
Peace be upon you.
Now it’s upto us to pick up the gauntlet; what sort of world do we want to leave for our younger sisters and brothers? Set a positive example in your own personal lives of what it truly means to be a Muslim; actions speak louder than words. Prophet Muhammad’s (pbuh) worst foes were impressed by his integrity and character. Every local newspaper will run a story about some issue related to Islam or Muslims especially in the months leading upto the first-year anniversary of 9-11; it’ll be a good opportunity to send off a few letters to the Editor combatting the numerous terrible misperceptions regarding Islam.
**End growing anti-Muslim prejudice, EU report urges**, Ian Black, 24 May 2002, The Guardian
British politicians and the media were warned yesterday to avoid demonising immigrants and asylum seekers after a damning EU report warned of mounting anti-Muslim prejudice across the continent.
The government was legitimising racist debate by giving mixed messages, the head of the EU’s anti-racism centre said.
The report by the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia blamed British media for using negative stereotypes of Muslims and portraying asylum seekers as terrorists and the “enemy within” after September 11.
**In the survey, the Vienna-based EUMC said Britain had seen a “significant” increase in violent assault, abuse and attacks on Muslim property, some “very serious”.
Rises were also reported in Denmark, the Netherlands and Sweden, where common incidents involved verbal abuse of women wearing the hijab.**
British and other European politicians and community leaders were praised for trying to bridge gaps in inter-faith meetings and campaigns for tolerance. But they were warned to avoid pandering to popular prejudice.
“September 11 has in some cases merely acted as a detonator of feelings that we have failed to adequately address,” Bob Purkis, the EUMC chairman, said in Brussels.
“By demonising refugees and asylum seekers you legitimise racism and xenophobia. There are mixed messages coming from the prime minister, from the Foreign Office. In the discussion about asylum seekers we have to make sure we are not operating in ways that legitimise the debate that racists are having.”
Earlier this month Peter Hain, the Europe minister, called for greater efforts to integrate isolated British Muslims who were vulnerable to extremists and fanatics.
“If it is right for Europe to give a lead where there is ethnic tension elsewhere in the world, then it is imperative that it puts its own house in order if it is to be listened to,” Mr Purkiss said.
The EUMC singled out the UK media for “disproportionate” coverage to “extremist Muslim groups and British Muslims who declared their willingness to join an Islamic war against the west”.
Less sensationalist Muslim voices were mainly overlooked while “very basic Islamophobic stereotypes” shaped the popular image of young British Muslim men, it said.
Sections of the media were blamed for fuelling anti-Muslim feeling by reports that al-Qaida terrorists had entered the country as asylum seekers.
“Such instances were used to justify hostility in order to stop them eradicating British values and exploiting its social welfare system at the same time,” the report said. "As a result, the distance between issues relating to asylum seekers and those of September 11 began to be gradually narrowed, until the two had almost become identifiable as one. Inayat Bunglawala, of the Muslim Council of Britain, said the report confirmed their own monitoring. “Under the cover of the war on terrorism, safeguards have been lowered for reporting on Muslims,” he said. Phrases like “fifth columnists” and “Muslim scroungers” had become commonplace.
The EU study covered the period from September 11 to the end of 2001.
Doubt is a pain too lonely to know that faith is his twin brother ~ Khalil Gibran
The Reality of Islam is that we should convert more people towards it and lead tem to heaven for it is our duty given by god. By showing our Ignorance to other's feelings and fallings we are only strengthening their resovle against our faith......
Shah Jahan, well said! i completely agree with everything you have stated so far in this thread.
It's worth remembering that, Masha'Allah, the numbers of people we have converting (or reverting) to Islam these days is in no small measure due to ordinary Muslims whom they come across in contact with in the most unlikely of circumstances sometimes. All it requires is for us to do nothing more or less than Prophet Muhammad (peace and Blessings be upon him) did every day of his life - show kindness and wisdom in each and every deed, word and thought.
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***Shah Jahan*, well said! i completely agree with everything you have stated so far in this thread.
It's worth remembering that, Masha'Allah, the numbers of people we have converting (or reverting) to Islam these days is in no small measure due to ordinary Muslims whom they come across in contact with in the most unlikely of circumstances sometimes. All it requires is for us to do nothing more or less than Prophet Muhammad (peace and Blessings be upon him) did every day of his life - show kindness and wisdom in each and every deed, word and thought.
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Indeed converting non muslims to islam is a very noble achievement but tell me how will it stop the muslims all over the world dying, when even our leader Musharaeef said over the muslim in indian being burnt alive, it is an internal indian affair !!!! do we just forget about these people !?
....then there will be Khilafah Rashidah on the method of the Prophethood. (Ahmad)
Sorry, but isn't it possible to do both at once? Setting a positive example by your words and actions doesn't mean you will be blissfully ignoring events that are occurring around you; on the contrary, it would probably mean the opposite.
Doubt is a pain too lonely to know that faith is his twin brother ~ Khalil Gibran
other religions are being attacked by muslims so if you guys are going to defend other muslims wherever they are you should expect to be attacked as well.
remember those buddist statues that the taliban blew up would it be ok if a buddist group blew up mecca which they could do. how would you guys feel if they did .
saying that muslim life is more important than none muslim seems to be a good way to start a world war.