Re: Britons of Pakistani descent
Mostar excellent post.
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^^ the biggest problem is that England didnt employ a filtration system to filter out people.
In Canada, USA or Australia there was a filtration system which made Pakistanis living in these countries much more better integrated than Pakistanis living in UK.
You are forgetting a major point here that majority of Pakistanis migrated to UK in 50s & 60s as labour mostly "Matric Pass Munday" (many without basic education) who worked in factories.
In Other western countries it were either already educated Pakistanis who moved or those who moved to study & started living there. The life style, way of thinking, struggle to progress etc differs in those countries as compared to UK. In UK third generation is doing mini cabs, how many Canadian born pakis are driving taxis in Toronto?
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Najim I am surprised at your apparent arrogance.....
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I don't think like or dislike for America should be a big factor in American immigration policies. Pretty much every country will fail on this metric at this point. Even though I live in the United States, and know first hand how fantastic this country really is, I realize that USA is not considered a knight in shining armor any where else in the world, with the possible exception of, may be, .... no scratch that too.
I agree.
Ask Aussies - they're very open about it. same is the case with a lot of other countries too.
and I understand Mercenary's point too but still it doesn't really make sense to form some laws for one group of people Only because some of them are terrorists etc. How about other nations?? all these murders, gangsters in USA - they're not Pakistani descent..... so how about similar laws against African Americans, Hispanics, whites (people coming from ireland, hungry because a large numebr of whites were migrated here from these 2 countries too)
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^^ And how many White British people are chanting death to America?
Its sad but the fact remains that British Pakistanis are more likely to commit terrorism against USA than white British people.
As for Black and Spanish Gangsters, there are rules against that.
How many Pakistanis have been pulled over because they are part of street gangs in USA ?
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^^
I didn’t mean that way. I am at work so doing multiple things at the same time. I usually don’t read my posts after typing so don’t know if make sense 
there are some serious security issues here in USA - most of them aren’t because of Paki descent but because of some other immigrants/nations so rules gainst them should be even more strict then.
I don’t disagree with you. I understand your point of view but still i find these kinda laws a bit too much or kinda unfair
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True. A large % of our community is poorly integrated.
That is the key.You will find most of those who have been arrested/or associated with terrorist tendencies come from largely minority areas.Those which have not been fully integrated in society.
Younger Brit Muslims may feel like outsiders.Neither do they truly belong to Pakistan and neither wholly British,thus creating their own subculture;one in which they feel comfortable.
Also you cannot deny that brainwashing does not occur.I have experienced it myself and in some cases growing a beard/wearing a hijab is seen as a status symbol in the sense that it is worn by SOME not ALL..simply to give the impression that we are holier than thou.
Integration is the key!
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although richard reid was not desi..and niether did he have a traditional muslim name.
so..while this sort of jingositic window dressing law may work..it does diddly squat in terms of security
lastly it does not stop bakhtawar terrorist from getting into mexico and crossing the border with juan, jose and matilda in broad day light..
but hey, high profile, easy to implement and minimal impact shyt is what ppl are good at, rather than doing something concrete.
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^^ So I guess if Akbar can get into USA from Mexico then USA should remove all security protocols......
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you guess wrong. go back think about it and come back with a more informed opinion than the type of rubbish I expect from mike savage and co.
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^^ I have. And until and unless British Pakistanis do not clean up their act they are going to be perceived in such ways. And I do not fault USA for implementing such rules. Its their country, they can do whatever they want.
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you have not,
u missed a very key part of the post which mentioned richard reid.
btw, the biggest concern is not with your typical brownie named ali that can be tracked but Richard Redi and Jose Padilla types.
every country has a right to do what they need to do for security measures. But it does not mean people who live in that country cant question their govt.
btw the last plot uncovered had canadian desis involved in it as well. and teh LAX plot involved canadians as well. I would expect the same treatment to be handed out to canadians based on the same reason
homeland security is still behind on almost everything they talked about in 2001-2202. container shipment security is a farce, borders are not secure. the sweeping rules only indicate further failings on part of homeland security..
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^^ I have. And until and unless British Pakistanis do not clean up their act they are going to be perceived in such ways. And I do not fault USA for implementing such rules. Its their country, they can do whatever they want.
Again a little boy who cries wolf very often.Nobody said that America is not for Americans.The question is of stereotyping a community for something that is done by a handful of people.See no body blamed whole South Korea for Cho Seung's acts.....
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you have not,
u missed a very key part of the post which mentioned richard reid. btw, the biggest concern is not with your typical brownie named ali that can be tracked but Richard Redi and Jose Padilla types.
No not really. The major threat to America still remains terrorism emanating from Middle East and Islamic communities in Europe. Richard Reid and Padilla are a rarity.
Its like the Organized Crime Task Force looking for Non-Italian Men when obviously most Mafia Family organizations are Italian-Americans.
Or the British M16 devoting resources to look for non-white members of IRA.
every country has a right to do what they need to do for security measures. But it does not mean people who live in that country cant question their govt.
They sure can.
btw the last plot uncovered had canadian desis involved in it as well. and teh LAX plot involved canadians as well. I would expect the same treatment to be handed out to canadians based on the same reason
Not White Canadians but Desi Canadians have been unfortunately dragged into this mess as well.
homeland security is still behind on almost everything they talked about in 2001-2202. container shipment security is a farce, borders are not secure. the sweeping rules only indicate further failings on part of homeland security..
So does that mean they cannot implement other security measures because others have been failures?
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Again a little boy who cries wolf very often.Nobody said that America is not for Americans.The question is of stereotyping a community for something that is done by a handful of people.See no body blamed whole South Korea for Cho Seung's acts.....
If South Korean men over and over again go on shooting rampages in USA then South Korea might get blamed
The same reason why white guys with buzz cuts were not stereotyped after Oklahoma city bombing.
If they had repeatedly done this act over and over again, then they would have been stereotyped.
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If South Korean men over and over again go on shooting rampages in USA then South Korea might get blamed
The same reason why white guys with buzz cuts were not stereotyped after Oklahoma city bombing.
If they had repeatedly done this act over and over again, then they would have been stereotyped.
So you want many shooting attempts to make your point??Crazy.........& How many disasters in US have Muslims 'Living in US/UK' been implicated in???None....So there goes your logic.
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So you want many shooting attempts to make your point??Crazy.........& How many disasters in US have Muslims 'Living in US/UK' been implicated in???None....So there goes your logic.
I dont get your point.
A stereotype is formed when a certain group does something over and over again.
Like mexicans crossing illegally into USA, or Irish being drunk.
Since what Cho did is so far a one time incident, South Koreans won't get stereotyped as deranged psychos.
But if this event happens over and over again, then they will get this stereotype.
Same goes for muslims. Terrorism related to Muslims has happened over and over again, from the 1st WTC bombing, 9/11, Madrid Train bombings, London Train bombings, Paris Subway Bombings in 1995, etc....
And thus the stereotype of muslims as terrorists
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Its going to become nigh on impossible for a BP to get any sort of student status in the US isnt it?
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^^ And how many White British people are chanting death to America?
Its sad but the fact remains that British Pakistanis are more likely to commit terrorism against USA than white British people.
As for Black and Spanish Gangsters, there are rules against that.
How many Pakistanis have been pulled over because they are part of street gangs in USA ?
Have you ever been to anti war rallies in UK, of course not, shooting from the hip again. The majority of people chanting anti US slogans in such rallies are surprise, surprise whites. get your facts right.
If they introduce Visa for British nationals of Pakistani origin than I for one will never visit that country. Who cares about US. The other thing to do is to sue them in the human rights court in Europe and expose this policy for what it is, racist, right wing garbage.
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homeland security is still behind on almost everything they talked about in 2001-*2202. *
They must really be behind...