A British man detained by anti-terror police in London was himself reportedly terrorised despite making no attempt to resist arrest.
Police taunted the Muslim detainee, who has not been named, by forcing him to prostrate and asking him “where is your God now?”, according to his lawyer.
Mudassar Arani told Aljazeera.net on Wednesday that her client, of Pakistani origin, also suffered a black eye and bruising to his wrist, back, elbow and shoulder and that photographic evidence would be made available.
“Special Branch are responsible for inflicting physical and racial abuse on my client.”
Arani is representing another three people detained by police in London on Tuesday
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If this is how they treat muslims when arresting them, then how are they treated in prison? I thought the maxim innocent until proven guilty was applied in the west, or maybe this only applies to non-muslims and if your a muslim then different laws apply to you e.g Guantanamo bay.
Muslims believe in only one god ( Allah ) and one book the Quran. We will never compromise our islam and continue to call for the truth as the truth and reject falsehood as the falsehood regardless of where we are and the consequences.
Excuses excuses Democracy and capitalism the worst diseases in the world corrupt systems where minorities get abused and the rich oppress and exploit the poor.
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any system could be corrupted. otherwise one can point towards the saneha e karbala and say thats khilafah in action for you..
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Salaams brother
I disagree with you because yes any system can be misapplied, but when it comes to capitalism its not a case of misapplication but rather a case of the whole basis upon which capitalism is built, namely secularism which is flawed. We muslims use our mind to observe the reality and come to a conclusion that a creator exists. Non- muslims who live in the west avoid the discussion on their existence e.g. where did i come from? Where am i going to go when i die? and whats my purpose in life? and adopt the secular creed which ignores discussion on the existence of a creator and allows people to regulate laws i.e democracy.
So the secular creed is false since it avoids discussion on the existence of a creator, either there is or there is not. It is foolish to say it doesn't matter and lets live life as we like which is what capitalism preaches in the west and into the Islamic lands. We muslims do not believe in " render unto ceaser what belongs to ceaser, and to god what belongs to god", In Islam ceaser has to submit to god.
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We muslims use our mind to observe the reality and come to a conclusion that a creator exists.
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We in a secular society use our minds to determine our own religous belief system and come to a conclusion that it is not up to anyone to decide that for us. It's called independent thought. A secular society does mean that those who live in it are non-religous or void of spirituality or ambivalent to the meaning of life. It only implies that a government does not impose their interpretation of these spritual and private matters on the people. This poor chap looks like he got a raw deal from British authorities. I would think this is the exception and not the rule. Bad apples are an unfortunate part of every society, obviously not limited to secular, democratic countries.
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Non- muslims who live in the west avoid the discussion on their existence e.g. where did i come from? Where am i going to go when i die? and whats my purpose in life? and adopt the secular creed which ignores discussion on the existence of a creator and allows people to regulate laws i.e democracy.
So the secular creed is false since it avoids discussion on the existence of a creator, either there is or there is not.
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You don't seem to have a very good grasp of American history. We, in America, have had extensive and lively debates regarding these issues. Ever heard of the Scopes Monkey Trial? A teacher was prosecuted for trying to teach the theory of evolution as an alternative to the theory of creation advanced in the Bible. Even today, creationists try to get public schools to teach their version of how life began.
As a society, we have determined that these are personal and private matters rather than things to be dictated by the government. Thus, secular democracy allows for the peaceful co-existence of multiple belief structures in a single society. The secular creed permits and encourages the discussion. It does not mandate an outcome. You find that to be a weakness. We believe that is a strength.
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Secular democracy does not mandate an outcome?
so nobody is right and nobody is wrong no wonder you got problems in society!
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So what's the problem in countries that aren't secular and democratic that suffer from more problems than the US? Why aren't they utopian societies? You don't get it. A government CANNOT mandate a religion on society. There may be some that believe with all their heart that THEIR religion is THE religion, but there are just as many that believe those people are wrong.
I just pointed out the flaw in the secular democratic system.
Nobody is right and nobody is wrong this causes mass confusion and problems.
Instead of answering the question you shift question on to countries that are allegedly not secular well which countries are those, all countries in world are currently secular therefore they got problem also!
I just pointed out the flaw in the secular democratic system.
Nobody is right and nobody is wrong this causes mass confusion and problems.
Instead of answering the question you shift question on to countries that are allegedly not secular well which countries are those, all countries in world are currently secular therefore they got problem also!
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what is you job is it secular? or you practise 24 hrs religen
what farmars and factory workers to do with religen.do yo go to
relgious healer when you get sicK? you can sit in a room praise
the god for ever so what?
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I just pointed out the flaw in the secular democratic system.
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No what you said was
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so nobody is right and nobody is wrong no wonder you got problems in society!
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which does not point out any flaws but a strength. We (educated, freedom-loving, independent thinking realists) don't want a government to mandate our spirituality and religous beliefs. Sorry but just because a religous state or book SAYS it is right does not mean that it is in the eyes of all. So the flaw in your religous state is that it won't be right for everybody. Many will see it as wrong, oppressive and archaic. The future of the world lies in societies where there are multiple belief structures. The glory days of theocracies were eons ago. It is not by chance that these religous states and empires are in the trash heap of world history. They no longer have a place in an educated world.
what is you job is it secular? or you practise 24 hrs religen
what farmars and factory workers to do with religen.do yo go to
relgious healer when you get sicK? you can sit in a room praise
the god for ever so what?
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Is my job secular? well it not written in my contract
Yes i praise allah(swt) for everything.
religous healer ? i go to a doctor
farmers and factory workers
Rvkiz i think you need to read up on what secularism means and what islam is because you seem confused.
No what you said was which does not point out any flaws but a strength. We (educated, freedom-loving, independent thinking realists) don't want a government to mandate our spirituality and religous beliefs. Sorry but just because a religous state or book SAYS it is right does not mean that it is in the eyes of all. So the flaw in your religous state is that it won't be right for everybody. Many will see it as wrong, oppressive and archaic. The future of the world lies in societies where there are multiple belief structures. The glory days of theocracies were eons ago. It is not by chance that these religous states and empires are in the trash heap of world history. They no longer have a place in an educated world.
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So when nobody is right and nobody is wrong you call that a strength?
so i can rob a bank because according to your system it don't matter because nobody is right and nobody is wrong
