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It's amusing to see that there are still people who just want to refuse everything and bury their heads in the sand.
Also glad to see most people here being realistic and not buying into cheap conspiracy theories (why this why that huh huh? hahahah shut up)
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I think conspiracy theories has become national pass time in Pakistan. Obama is the president of the United States of America...he is not some kid on the block. He cannot afford to just lie that Osama is dead to look like the coolest kid on the block.
He is a Harvard graduate, a president. One can safely assume he is of at least average intelligence. Do you think he would risk mockery of himself and his country by standing in front of TV and lying to the rest of the world that Osama is dead? Doesnt he know, if Osama is not actually dead...he would make sure he pops his head and lets the world know that he is not dead even if to just mock the United States.
Osama has a family of who knows how many wives, children, brother, sisters. You think if he is not dead...Obama can keep it a secret forever? I am sure if Osama was not dead...by now he would have found the way to let the world know that he is not dead even if it just to humiliate Obama.
Enough with conspiracy theories.
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LOL @ the ongoing conspiracy theories.
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yes thats what i am scared of, this could be drama number 2
mr drama 1 2 3........ for you everything is drama , even u.s. is drama, pakistan is drama. 9/11 is drama, suicide bombing is drama, children being made guinne pig suicide bomber is drama , this whole world is drama ,come out of this drama and nautanki, such type of thinking has brought you the shame this osama , come out of your prpetual sleep, other wise shut down is not farway.
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USA has given a clear message to radicals. They are ready to wage a long war, and they will hunt you down, no matter which hole or country you are hiding in.
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http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/pak-protestors-chant-obama-solve-your-own-problems/198532
Why can’t the pak police/army raid protests like these?
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WHY IS THIS RETARD ANJEM STILL ROAMING THE STREETS OF UK FREELY?
WT F !
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this seems plausible. would explain both Pakistani befuddlement, and details such as pakistani soldiers telling residents to turn off lights an hour before the attack.
Re: Breaking News!!!! Osama Bin Laden is dead
It's amusing to see that there are still people who just want to refuse everything and bury their heads in the sand.
Also glad to see most people here being realistic and not buying into cheap conspiracy theories (why this why that huh huh? hahahah shut up)
I think conspiracy theories has become national pass time in Pakistan. Obama is the president of the United States of America...he is not some kid on the block. He cannot afford to just lie that Osama is dead to look like the coolest kid on the block.
When people stop trusting government conspiracy theories take rise, simple as that. OBL dead or alive doesn't matter to me, what matters is what part government/military/ISI played in this episode, they need to come clean. What was so difficult in releasing video of the attack/invasion or pictures of dead OBL? Its not as if US or their soldiers have not revealed anything in past. They can reveal pictures of prisoners' mistreatment in Abu Ghraib which probably is more humiliating for any one but can't share photo of MOST WANTED terrorist? I mean come on dude, you destroyed a country for that guy but when you kill him you are not going to share the prized photo?
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The Americans may have buried OBL at sea but what's stopping radicals turning his last resting place, that compound in Abbottabad, into a shrine!!
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The Americans may have buried OBL at sea but what's stopping radicals turning his last resting place, that compound in Abbottabad, into a shrine!!
LOL... I can mentally picture the next owner trying to shoo away Osama fans with a broom.
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The Americans may have buried OBL at sea but what's stopping radicals turning his last resting place, that compound in Abbottabad, into a shrine!!
hajrat shahid osama bin laden al qayada bin al faida marhoom ki dargaah sharif ki jiyarat ke liye kuchh log taiyyar baithe hai.salana urs may2 2012 me hoga .
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No wonder - why I laugh when an Indian writes ’ leave it ’ in their shud hindi ’ as ’ CHOD DO ’ 
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mr drama 1 2 3........ for you everything is drama , even u.s. is drama, pakistan is drama. 9/11 is drama, suicide bombing is drama, children being made guinne pig suicide bomber is drama , this whole world is drama ,come out of this drama and nautanki, such type of thinking has brought you the shame this osama , come out of your prpetual sleep, other wise shut down is not farway.
This would be nothing new we have already seen one of these dramas in Iraq. Anyways coming back to the topic US will not release obi's pictures
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http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/03/the-great-deceit.html
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The great deceit**
BY SHYEMA SAJJAD ON MAY 3RD, 2011 | COMMENTS (211)
It’s not like I choose to always write when the president goes missing but as luck would have it, those are the only times worth speaking out. Where I have often called for the president and prime minister – sometimes receiving a not-so-supportive response – this time I believe my call is completely legit. After all, Osama bin Laden was killed (at least that’s what the Americans said).
But first, I’ll focus on our ‘allies’ a bit. As President Obama started talking about how that “bright September day was darkened”, American people began rejoicing and the scenes of celebration were similar to those I witnessed on St.Patrick’s Day while in university – except, instead of green accessories, there was a whole lot of stripes and stars involved here.
But that’s okay. Why shouldn’t the Americans celebrate? After all, nearly 3,000 of them were killed because of this man and his network – it only made sense to run outside the White House with the US flag wrapped around their heads.
Did they for a second stop and ask for proof? No why would they, Obama saved the day (and his votes) – that’s all that mattered. I wish us Pakistanis had that kind of blind trust on our leaders’ statements. I mean think back to Hakimullah Mehsud – Interior Minister Rehman Malik killed him a couple of times and once even created his twin in Afghanistan… so I guess it’s only natural for us not to believe anything coming out of our leadership (the fact that they didn’t say anything at all yesterday, is a different story). But wait,** why don’t think the Americans think Iraq for a second. WMD anyone? And even Afghanistan? A decade there and still the most wanted man was found in Pakistan’s backyard. Oops? Doesn’t the US public want to question anything? Or was “DNA confirms Osama dead” enough? He was the most wanted man in the world, responsible for the death of thousands! And what did the US forces do? Secretly kill him and dump him in the sea. Seriously?** As Obama was promising brighter days ahead, no one seemed to be concerned with ‘what next’, because we all do know that this ‘war’ is far being over.
Osama has been killed several times over the years, however, this time was different because we actually had visual proof….. of the ‘mansion’….the helicopter….the blood-stained floors…. Yes, that should be enough now to know that this time he really was killed.
Assuming there are no loopholes in the US’ great hunt story and going by what supposedly happened yesterday, fact remains that Osama was killed in Pakistan. Not a cave in some tribal border area but right here in Abbottabad.** Obama spoke at around 8:30 am local time. Shortly after, Afghan President Karzai came out and said something which pretty much sounded like ‘it wasn’t me … it wasn’t me’ and then the Indians seized the opportunity and spoke along the lines of ‘told you so… told you so’ – so basically everyone got their turn at riding the Bash Pakistan bandwagon. And for good reason of course, yes, yes, no denying we do support terrorists, quite right.**
So here comes my favourite part, while Osama was dying and Obama was doing the happy dance, where were you Pakistani leaders? Haven’t you embarrassed us enough already? Until about 12:00pm yesterday, there was no word from Pakistan – shortly after noon, the Foreign Office woke up and had some nice bits and pieces of information to share. Still no Gilani. No Zardari. No Kayani. No Pasha.
Somewhere in the afternoon (after a nice sleep-in perhaps) Prime Minister Gilani came out only to say ‘errr, I don’t have any details yet…’. Okay then. Why didn’t we have any details when Obama specifically in his address mentioned that this couldn’t have been achieved without Pakistan’s ‘cooperation’?** And what about Pakistan’s mainstream media? Normally we are quick to jump and question everything but this time, our televisions ran tickers of statements coming in from the US while the local headlines focused on PML-Q’s oath-taking at 7:00pm. And then of course there were clips of the ‘mansion’ and the blood-stained floors inside. Where were all your hard-hitting questions Pakistani media – or do you only reserve those for our own leadership?**
The US has a lot to answer but so far they have been giving us a great story, but what about our own government and establishment? We have nothing to celebrate for. We cannot take out our flags and run across the country because chances are some suicide bomber somewhere will mar that celebration anyway. Instead, we have a lot to worry about now (once again assuming Osama was killed yesterday). The al Qaeda backlash, the ISI’s supposed intelligence failure, the Pakistani leadership’s silence and the media’s confusion. As for the world hating us a bit more, I don’t think that’ll be a real problem – those who need to get their tickets out of here, normally do manage to find a way to do so anyway. For those of us who are stuck here meanwhile, ask questions. Ask why Osama was there, why no one knew, how the US knew, why we stayed silent and most of all, why do we never ever cease to disappoint ourselves.
As an after thought, also do ask why more than anyone else failing or insulting us, it is our own security establishment that takes the cake each time.
Shyema Sajjad is the Deputy Editor at Dawn.com
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LOL this thread is hilarious. Keep lapping it up like good dogs. Maybe Obama will throw you a treat.
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Not good signs emerging from the debris of the raid by american forces
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/05/world/asia/05pakistan.html?_r=1&hp
Pakistani Army, Shaken by Raid, Faces New Scrutiny
By JANE PERLEZ
Published: May 4, 2011
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — The reputation of the army, the most powerful and privileged force in Pakistan, has been severely undermined by the American raid that killed Osama bin Laden, raising profound questions about its credibility from people at home and from benefactors abroad, including the United States.
That **American helicopters could fly into Pakistan, carrying a team to kill the world’s most wanted terrorist and then fly out undetected has produced a stunned silence from the military and its intelligence service that some interpret as embarrassment, even humiliation.
There is no doubt that the raid has provoked a crisis of confidence for what was long seen as the one institution that held together a nation dangerously beset by militancy and chronically weak civilian governments.
The aftermath has left Pakistanis to challenge their leadership, and the United States to further question an already frequently distrusted partner.**
**By Wednesday, members of Parliament, newspaper editorials and Pakistan’s raucous political talk shows were calling for an explanation and challenging the military and intelligence establishment, institutions previously immune to public reproach.
Some were calling for an independent inquiry, focused less on the fact that the world’s most wanted terrorist was discovered in their midst than on whether the military could defend Pakistan’s borders and its nuclear arsenal from being snatched or attacked by the United States or India.
“If these people are found to be incompetent, heads should roll,” said Zafar Hilaly, a prominent newspaper columnist.**
Different questions were coming from Pakistan’s neighbors and Western allies, including the United States. In Congress, powerful lawmakers in charge of foreign military assistance delivered scathing assessments of the Pakistani Army as either incompetent or duplicitous, saying that renewed financial support was hardly guaranteed.
In Britain, Prime Minister David Cameron told Parliament it was unbelievable that the Pakistani authorities did not know that Bin Laden was hiding not far from the capital.
But the most urgent question of all is what to do about it, and whether the United States should continue to invest in a Pakistani military whose assurances that it does not work with terrorists carry less weight than ever.
Pakistani officials, who feel betrayed by the United States for not informing them in advance about the raid, are responding more defensively by the day.
The biggest question for Pakistan is whether the event prompts a reconsideration of its security strategy, which has long depended on militant proxies, including groups entwined with Al Qaeda.
American officials are certain to use the fact that Bin Laden had taken shelter in Pakistan to press the country for a clearer break from its past. Both sides have an interest in preserving some form of the status quo. Pakistan would like to keep the billions of dollars in aid that flow from the United States. The United States would like to prevent this nuclear-armed Muslim nation from turning more hostile, hosting terrorist networks and complicating efforts to end the war in Afghanistan. But the challenges ahead were revealed in how the outrage over the Bin Laden raid has cut differently in Pakistan and the United States.
For the United States, it has raised the issue of whether any assurance provided by the Pakistani military can be trusted, including the security of its nuclear arsenal. The army has insisted it is adequately protected from extremists, but has resisted security assistance from the United States that it considers too invasive. “We can press Pakistan until the cows come home on its nuclear program,” said Michael Krepon, a co-founder of the Stimson Center in Washington, which works on programs to reduce nuclear weapons. “But they are not going to do the things that we would like them to do that they don’t want to do.”
**In Pakistan, commentators who consider the nuclear weapons the country’s most valued asset have raised another concern: In light of the American operation, are the weapons safe from a raid by the United States, or even India?
Meanwhile, the chief of the army, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, and the head of the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, have remained silent about what they knew or did not know about Bin Laden’s presence.**
They have both met with President Asif Ali Zardari since the American raid, but no mention has been made in public of those discussions. Civilian politicians have been virtually absent.
Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani left for France on Tuesday, but said Wednesday that he would cut short his trip and return home. Senior ministers in the cabinet failed to turn up in Parliament to offer any explanations on Tuesday or Wednesday.
Instead, the Foreign Office and the information minister, apparently on orders from the military, issued statements intended to explain the shortcomings.
In Parliament on Wednesday, Information Minister Firdous Ashiq Awan said the American helicopters had evaded detection by radar “due to hilly terrain” and use of “map of the earth” flying techniques, an account that failed to comfort almost anyone.
The Foreign Office defended the fact that Bin Laden was not detected because the high security walls at his house in Abbottabad were in line with a culture of privacy. These scant explanations fueled more speculation.
**One of the military’s biggest advocates, Kamran Khan, a journalist whose nightly television show garners big audiences, led the chorus: “We had the belief that our defense was impenetrable, but look what has happened. Such a massive intrusion and it went undetected.”
Mr. Khan posed the question on many Pakistani minds: “What is the guarantee that our strategic assets and security installations are safe?”**
In some Pakistani quarters, the failure of the army and intelligence agencies to detect Bin Laden, or to do anything about him if indeed his presence was known, prompted calls for an overhaul of the nation’s strategic policies.
“Instead of making more India-specific nuclear-capable missiles, the funds and the energy should be directed to eliminating the terrorists,” said an editorial in the newspaper Pakistan Today.
The editor, Arif Nizami, said the American raid made a mockery of the Pakistani military’s bravura that its fighter jets could shoot down American drones. “You talk of taking out drones, and you can’t even take out helicopters,” Mr. Nizami said.
Some Pakistanis said they were more concerned about the fact that known terrorists were living in their midst than the violation of sovereignty by the Americans.
“The terrorists’ being on our soil is the biggest violation of Pakistan’s sovereignty,” said Athar Minallah, a prominent lawyer. “If Osama bin Laden lives in Abbottabad, there could be a terrorist in my neighborhood.”
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Internal rift led to Osama killing: Saudi paper**
Updated at: 1541 PST, Thursday, May 05, 2011
RIYADH: US troops were led to Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden by his own deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, because of a simmering internal power struggle, a Saudi newspaper reported on Thursday.
Al-Watan newspaper, quoting an unnamed “regional source,” said the top two Al-Qaeda men had differences and that a courier who led US forces to bin Laden was working for Zawahiri.
The courier was a Pakistan national and not a Kuwaiti as the US suspected, Al-Watan said. The man knew he was being followed by the US military but disguised the fact.
**“The Egyptian faction of Al-Qaeda is defacto running the organisation now and since he was taken ill in 2004 they have been trying to take full control,” **
according to the paper.
It said Zawahiri’s faction had persuaded bin Laden to leave tribal areas along the Afghan-Pakistan border and take shelter instead in Abbottabad near Islamabad where he was finally killed by US commandos on Monday.
With the return of an Egyptian figure in Al-Qaeda, Saif al-Adel, last autumn from Iran, the Egyptian faction had hatched a plan to dispose of Saudi-born bin Laden, according to Al-Watan. (AFP)
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http://arabnews.com/opinion/columns/article382018.ece
The Osama story full of holes
All secrets are lost forever in the bowels of the North Arabian Sea
AM I sorry the world’s Most Wanted man is dead? No, I’m not. But at the same time I object to my intelligence being insulted. I spent all day Monday wincing at the blatant “God bless America” jingoism coming out of US beginning with the jubilant crowds dancing on Osama’s grave to President Barack Obama’s “Justice has been served.”
**Justice would only have been served if Osama Bin Laden had been captured, investigated and tried. Instead, he was shot in the head while unarmed and hiding behind the skirts of his youngest wife. Martyrdom was just how OBL wished to go. The ultimate humiliation would have been to drag him away in an orange jump suit.
TV commentators say putting OBL on trial would have posed problems for the US, which is nonsense. There were no such qualms about putting Saddam Hussein or Khalid Sheikh Mohammed – one of many supposed masterminds behind 9/11 – before a judge. The fact is Bin Laden’s assassination was just as purposeful as the poisoning of a Hamas commander in Dubai by the Mossad.**
It seems too that he was shot before his attackers could prove his identity. The harvesting of DNA and use of electronic facial recognition took place subsequent to his death. How efficient is facial recognition when the subject has been shot through the head?
In his triumphal speech, Obama conflated OBL with 9/11. However, according to the FBI’s Most Wanted website, he was sought solely for his involvement with the bombing of embassies in Africa and the USS Cole. When the FBI was asked by a journalist why there was no mention of 9/11 on OBL’s webpage, there was no proof of Bin Laden’s involvement in that, they answered.
Wouldn’t taking him alive have been the best option? His alleged role in 9/11 could have been substantiated or otherwise and he would have been a font of information on the worldwide Al-Qaeda movement. When hundreds of small fry were incarcerated in Guantanamo, isn’t it odd that the biggest fish of all was literally thrown into the sea? That’s another thing. Why was the US in such haste to dispose of the body and why was it cast upon the waves instead of being buried in accordance with Islamic precepts? The official version is that no country wanted OBL’s remains and the US as mindful to expedite the funeral in keeping with Islamic law; the problem is burial at sea is only permitted by Islam in cases when a person dies on board ship. If the Americans were so concerned about Islamic law, his body could just as easily have been placed anonymously under the Afghan desert sands.
CLEARLY Islamic tradition wasn’t uppermost in their minds. In this case, given their awareness that news of the death wouldn’t be taken at face value by millions around the world – especially since the US has announced OBL’s death several times before — why didn’t they permit foreign forensic teams to view the corpse and take DNA samples so that his demise could be independently verified? That would have been the best way to silence conspiracy theorists.
The rest of the tale is equally bizarre. The story goes that OBL and his family may have lived in the three-story high, million-dollar walled mansion/fortress in the resort town of Abbottabad, a stone’s throw from Islamabad, ever since it was constructed in 2005.
The man with a $ 25 million bounty on his head must have been suffering from dementia when he chose to quit his Afghan cave or mud hut in Waziristan for a house that stands out like a sore thumb in a small town housing a military academy. Most residents of upscale Abbottabad are in some way connected to the military; many are retired army officers.
Are we seriously to believe that foreign residents without telephone lines or Internet connection and without need of garbage collection (they incinerated their own) didn’t attract any attention from either military intelligence or Pakistan’s ubiquitous Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) over the years? In Egypt, where I’m based, no one could move into a home near a military base without state security knowing what brand of toothpaste they use.
Did no tradesman or repairman turn-up at OBL’s door? He had a lawn. Did he cut the grass himself? Who supplied the occupants with food; who paid the water and electricity bills? Most importantly, where did this most easily recognizable fugitive on the planet receive dialysis? Western politicians are saying Pakistan has some explaining to do. Some believe the ISI and the Pakistani military contain OBL sympathizers. Even if there’s a kernel of truth in that, most wouldn’t be and even those who were so disposed would have been tempted by a $25 million windfall. Pakistan’s government is also under fire from within. People are angered by the US’ failure to get Pakistan’s green light for a Navy Seal op which they see as an infringement of their country’s sovereignty.
THERE are also questions surrounding the timing of the operation. When the US had intelligence since August, why did the president wait eight months before giving the go-ahead during which time the family could have relocated?
Cynics are already pointing to a 10- point leap in President Obama’s approval rating in the run-up to next year’s presidential election while noting that crowds outside the White House have been chanting “Four more years”. The announcement also comes at a time when the White House is mulling withdrawing troops from Afghanistan. That would spell failure as long as Bin Laden was still on the loose. Now the president can proudly announce “a job well done” — never mind that it took ten years and tens of thousands of innocent Afghan and Pakistani lives. In truth, the OBL operation has undermined the military aggression on Afghanistan. I’ve argued since day one that it was a grave mistake, writing that the only way to get Bin Laden was the use of human intelligence and special ops. I used to receive irate e-mails from Americans in response; now I feel vindicated.
**The Afghanistan war chest has cost US taxpayers alone more than $350 billion, over 2,340 coalition military personnel have been killed — and there’s been incalculable numbers of civilian casualties. Americans should ask themselves whether so much sacrifice was worth it just to shoot one aging man in the head when his sickening ideology has already spawned worldwide hydra-headed Al-Qaeda offshoots and clones.
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With OBL gone, Al-Qaeda has received a body blow and our world is now a safer place, say US and British officials while, at the same time, their countries’ embassies have been fortified and their citizens warned of possible revenge attacks. Did the White House never stop to think that Osama the martyr could be of greater inspiration to his fanatical death-loving chorus than Osama the recluse! The real body blow to terrorist extremists has been the Arab Spring. It wasn’t sparked by men with explosive waist belts but by youngsters using Internet social media who succeeded where Osama and his murdering ilk failed. Against something so transformational and earth shattering, in the great scheme of things, Bin Laden’s end is a nonevent. If the families of 9/11 victims have received closure, so be it.
If, God forbid, I were in their place I would never have been satisfied until I learned the truth straight from the horse’s mouth. Unfortunately, the mystery will continue; Bin Laden’s treasury of secrets are lost forever in the bowels of the North Arabian Sea.
For the record, I haven’t come across a single Egyptian who believes the official story; most think Osama died years ago from natural causes and has been resurrected for political expediency. Oh what fantastical imaginations they have! Of course, they can’t possibly be right. ([email protected])
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Army chief orders inquiry on the presence of OBL in Abbotabad
and the army has given briefing on the abbotabad operation