Re: Breaking News: Musharraf resigns
Its ironic but the only time I saw people happy in Pakistan lately was when the CJ was restored last year, with growing depression because of all the suicide attacks and Government crackdown on the people, lawyers, civilians. Now after exactly one year, the resignation of the tyrant has finally brought about some joy.
I dont understand the support on this forum for the so called "Judicary"? Have any of you ever dealt with lawyers? ever been to a kacheri?.....Do you how cases can be dropped or stalled with money!? Lawyers, like everywhere else in Pakistan wont speak to you unless you have "approach"!!!!!
The lawyery is as crook as any other thing in the land of the pure! In a country where you cant get justice but can buy a judge....i will never support them!!!and thats why i never supported his royal highness the chief justice!!!
Back to Mr Musharraf. Already more and more people have come on this thread and said a few kind words about Musharraf. I guess we all are guilty of destroying that mans 47 year career!!!!
I agree. Lawyers AND judges are probably the most corrupt institution in Pakistan. When the judicial system is corrupt, the common man does not get justice and looses trust in the state. That is exactly what is going on in Pakistan. If other government apparatus is corrupt , there is still recourse and hope but when the Judges and lwayers demand and accept bribes the state becomes Pakistan.
My brother had his car stolen which was then later recovered by police. He had to go get his car from a judge who promptly asked for a big sum of bribe for releasing his own car! Later on my brother found a contact of another judge who requested the first judge to release the car but he was super annoyed and told every one on their face " I don't close any case without taking my money. That is my principal."
Re: Breaking News: Musharraf resigns
We are talking about the reinstatement of a superior judiciary, and we all know how efficiently people like Bhagwandas and Iftikhar were working, until they were dismissed and humiliated.
Lekin un Mushatards ko buhat takleef hoi because Iftikhar refused to continue to work as Musharrafs yes-man like his associates, and they will now start equating every single lawyer and his little kissa of corruption with the reinstatement of judiciary. Jab Musharraf, Shujaat yah Altaf bhai ki corruption ki baat karo tu pairoon talley zameen nikal jati hai.
Re: Breaking News: Musharraf resigns
PPP and Pmln are just looters. Chacha sharif ne kaha tha ke jaise he musharraf jeye ga bomb blasts khatam ho jayen ge Ab sun lo Hospital main blast huaafter just one day mussharaf left. Chacha sharif ne tou yeh bhi kaha tha ke woh roti 1 rupay ki karen ge and atta 9 rupay pr kg chawal 17 rupay kilo what happened to all that?
And then we'll have another dictator who will forgive them and they'll come back, story goes on and on, no?
These problems haven't been fixed for 60 years. Do you think all will be fixed now that Musharraf is gone.
It was Musharraf you worked with Chinese to develop the dwadar port.
BB and Nawaz wanted to sell it to USA. This is exactly what Zardari is going to do now after Musharraf is gone.
The fundamental problems need to be fixed before we can see any major development/progress.
Political parties -
Religious freedom-
Provinces autonomy
Smaller provinces
Development
Jobs: Creating more jobs
Education: more schools, technical Schools and Universities, phd programs.
Develop more cities/town/satellite towns/
Re: Breaking News: Musharraf resigns
I agree with ngenius
Re: Breaking News: Musharraf resigns
By Hamid Mir
ISLAMABAD: Was the fallen Pervez Musharraf living in a fool’s paradise right till the end? He may have been.
** Just a few minutes before his speech he told one of his close friends that the coalition partners will start fighting with each other very soon, there will be more political instability in his absence, people will come out on the streets in the next six months and they will demand “come back Musharraf”. **
** That is the reason Musharraf is not leaving Pakistan. He will stay in Pakistan under heavy security and he will wait for the people to call him back. He is sadly mistaken. The people of Pakistan have already rejected him and his policies on Feb 18. They were sick of him and that was why even George W Bush abandoned him in his last days but Musharraf still thinks that Pakistan cannot survive without him.
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He claimed in his Monday speech that Pakistan was about to be declared a failed state in 1999 but he rescued the country and brought a new recognition for Pakistan. He never mentioned Kargil which gave a bad name to Pakistan, he never mentioned anything about the judicial crisis that he created in 2007 and he never mentioned anything about the assassination of PPP leader Benazir Bhutto.
It was the death of Benazir that started the downfall of Musharraf. His government lost its writ for at least one week after the assassination of Benazir. There was violence everywhere and the government just evaporated. That was the time when the Army decided to stay away from Musharraf to save its credibility and that was how Musharraf lost his power. The assassination of Benazir Bhutto was also a big blow to the peace process in South Asia.
President Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh agreed on an “out of the box “solution of the Kashmir dispute after many rounds of direct and indirect talks. They decided in 2006 to resolve the Kashmir dispute by the end of 2007 maximum. US President George W Bush was also on board with them.
Both the leaders were hoping for a Nobel Peace Prize in 2008 but now they have missed the chance. Musharraf is no more in a position to sell an “out of the box” solution on Kashmir. Manmohan Singh will also face difficulties for the approval of such a formula from the Indian parliament after the recent Hindu-Muslim violence in Jammu and Kashmir.
Musharraf and Manmohan Singh first met during the UN Summit in New York when the Indian prime minister called on the Pakistani president at his hotel in New York on September 24,2004. It was an extremely pleasant encounter. Musharraf met Manmohan Singh again on April 18, 2005 during a one-day cricket match between India and Pakistan in Delhi. India lost this match to Pakistan but Musharraf and Manmohan Singh decided that they would find a Kashmir solution in which no side will be a loser but all the sides would be winners.
After few months they had another dinner on September 14, 2005 in New York, during the UN General Assembly. Musharraf proposed the demilitarisation of Jammu and Kashmir, self governance and a joint management mechanism of the troubled valley. Initially Manmohan Singh raised many objections but later on both of them decided to continue their efforts for reaching an “out of the box” solution without compromising the stated positions of their governments.
Indian National Security Adviser MK Narayanan and Pakistan’s National Security adviser Tariq Aziz continued their quiet diplomacy in Dubai to discuss some more details. The Indian side convinced the PDP’s pro-Delhi Kashmiri leader Mehbooba Mufti, and the Pakistani side took into confidence separatist Kashmiri leaders Mir Waiz Umar Farooq and Yasin Malik for resolving the Kashmir dispute in the year 2007.
The details of the great Kashmir solution were finalised in June 2006. Musharraf wanted Manmohan Singh to visit Pakistan in July 2006 but the Indian prime minister was looking for a politically suitable opportunity to break the ice.
Musharraf sent a message to Benazir Bhutto that the Kashmir problem will be resolved soon and she should support the proposed solution. Unfortunately, 2006 was wasted and 2007 started. That was the year when Musharraf started committing huge blunders. He sacked and arrested a sitting chief justice of Pakistan. Lawyers and members of civil society came out on the roads against him. He lost a legal battle in the Supreme Court of Pakistan on July 20, 2007 and Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry was restored.
Musharraf never digested this legal defeat. He struck a deal with exiled opposition leader Benazir Bhutto with the help of US and UK. Musharraf agreed to take off his Army uniform and hold fresh elections. Benazir Bhutto agreed to support the war against terrorism in return for free and fair elections.
Benazir returned to Pakistan in October but there was a huge trust deficit between her and Musharraf. She was not ready to take a clear position against the chief justice. An agitated Musharraf imposed emergency in Pakistan on November 3, 2007 mainly against the Supreme Court and the rebel media.
Benazir Bhutto declared this emergency as martial law and announced to stop her dialogue with Musharraf. Elections were announced on January 8, 2008 but Benazir Bhutto was smelling lot of rigging. She started making a noise against the rigging. She had a long meeting with the DG ISI Lt Gen Nadeem Taj on the night of December 26, 2008.
Taj warned her about some security threats and suggested to abandon her election campaign. Benazir Bhutto refused to take his dictation. Next day she was assassinated in Rawalpindi. This assassination spelled the actual political death of Musharraf. He lost his popularity in Pakistan completely. He delayed elections for one month but his rigging plans failed because the Army decided to stay away from politics.
Army Chief General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani even ordered the ISI not to support any political party in the election. The neutral role of the Army was a big blow to Musharraf. His supporters lost with big margins. The Feb 18 election were a clear no-confidence of Pakistani voters against Musharraf but he never accepted his defeat.
He was not happy with the Army chief. As the supreme commander of the armed forces he was in a position to sack him but he was aware that the Army could defy his orders like he defied the orders of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif in 1999 as Army chief. He decided to wait for an appropriate time to hit both the Army chief and the new coalition government.
Musharraf was sure that only he could resolve the Kashmir dispute, he was sure that only he had the guts to pave the way for the recognition of Israel by Pakistan. He was also sure that the Pakistan Army needed him despite the fact that he was no more in uniform.
He thought that only he could negotiate for more and more military aid from the US for the armed forces of Pakistan. He was sure that he would catch Osama bin Laden soon and the West would force the new coalition government to accept him as the president for the next five years.
Musharraf ruled Pakistan for more than eight years but he never ruled the hearts and minds of his people like a true leader because he never came to power through the ballot. He was definitely in a position to become a real peacemaker with the help of Manmohan Singh and Benazir Bhutto in 2007 but he missed this golden chance. He missed 2007 because he created political turmoil in Pakistan by attacking the judiciary.
He also missed the chance of getting a Nobel Peace Prize along with Manmohan Singh due to his ego and self righteousness. He has missed every bus now. He will soon realise that there is no use of staying in Pakistan and ultimately he will leave this country because it will be difficult for him to face the common people.
Re: Breaking News: Musharraf resigns
^^ array, Hamid failed to mention his alleged role in Sugar,Wheat and Still Mill ,missing ppl scam, along with the chak shahzad thingy..
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^^ Is he same Hamid Mir who once claimed that he knew all Al-Q top leaders as they are all his buddy, and that he also know all their sleeping cell contacts in West, and that they have nuclear bombs that they have planted their bombs at secret places about that only he knows, as he is Super Agent 'Lapatoo-cum-Choroo 008', bigger than James Bond 007? :D
carry on ,, khisyannee billee khumbaa nochay :D
Some people are in illusion that thugs like NS and Zardari would work to develop and progress Pakistan. My question to them is:
Give me one reason thugs like NS and Zardari would do that? What they would gain out of making Pakistan prosperous and developed? They have invested billions (even if it was stolen billions) to spread their empire in Pakistan where millions work and depend on them for livelihood, and in return kiss their Arse like Zombies. These thugs have legacy to worry about. Both would love to rule Pakistani masses for generations. Both have wali-ahad waiting to take over their throne, and they have to think about Wali-Ahad (future rulers of Pakistan coming from their progeny). These thugs only survive if Pakistan stays poor and people stay miserable, licking their Arse, depending on them and their thrown bones.
So, why anyone thinks that these thugs would work to change anything in Pakistan? They are corrupt and thugs but I do not think that they are idiots that they would like to destroy their own empire that would last even after their death only if it would stay poor, undeveloped, uneducated, hungry, needy, divided and miserable. They are not Musharraf who had no legacy to think about and no Shahzada in waiting to take over Pakistan after him.
When you're done crying over what's done is done. Let us know so we can proceed further and discuss what should be done now for the betterment of Pakistan.
If NS/AZ are to be prosecuted then MQM needs to elect itself a new leader as well, because Altaf Hussain is in the league of the corrupt, murderer and terrorist leader category. Let the justice be served to all....lets not be selective.
Remember MQM is considered a terrorist organization by one nation already...how much longer before others recognize this menace too?!
I'm all for purging all current power holders, whether it's Zardari or Sharif Bros. I won't play favorites. The people that are sincere don't get the chance to serve the nation as they should. The crooks always manage to find a way in being elected, whether they be from East, West, North or South.
Musharraf did what he did. He got what he deserved. It is time to move on and think for the future of Pakistan and think about and debate who should be the next President. Perhaps someone who can keep others in check (unlikely though...)
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Re: Breaking News: Musharraf resigns
the whole civil society iz corrupt..whether itz lawyerz or judges..its as simple as that...some ppl dun seem to understand that..n honestly i dun see ppl celebrating..itz so obvious
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*Kitne Musharraf nikalo gay, har ghar say Musharraf nikle ga.
Long Live Musharraf.*
the whole civil society iz corrupt..whether itz lawyerz or judges..its as simple as that...some ppl dun seem to understand that..n honestly i dun see ppl celebrating..itz so obvious
If people could afford common commodities and didn't have to twist each others' arms, they would become less corrupt. Circumstances make the most civil of people into criminals. You cannot blame the poor people for the conditions that have been forced on them due to the incompetence of their leaders.
*Kitne Musharraf nikalo gay, har ghar say Musharraf nikle ga.
Long Live Musharraf.*
Hopefully he does live long enough to face the charges being trumped up against him.
If people could afford common commodities and didn't have to twist each others' arms, they would become less corrupt. Circumstances make the most civil of people into criminals. You cannot blame the poor people for the conditions that have been forced on them due to the incompetence of their leaders.
lol..ya i agree with u..
*Kitne Musharraf nikalo gay, har ghar say Musharraf nikle ga.
Long Live Musharraf.*
Filhaal toh khud hee nikal gaye hain president house say
Woh kya kehtey hain
Bauhat beyaabroo ho kar. :D
He cannot even expect to get such a post because he isn’t present in Pakistan, like he should be to lead his voters during each campaign. Secondly, well last time i heard him and his wife split and i don’t blame her for not leaving the kid with him (if they had one). I mean who would 
He can’t get enough votes in whole of Sindh alone, let alone Nation, so how can even remotely expect to become PM? 
Leading a regional party does have its downside 
J/K…don’t mean to hurt your feeling. i know how fragile you can be when it comes to the facist party you so overwhelmingly support.
But i do agree with what you said about the Presidential post. It is indeed very sad. Pakistan needs an overhaul…seriously. From top down!