Bomber blows self up before getting chance to enter Israel

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Sick, sending a 16 year old boy to commit murder, even his father couldn’t protect him from the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade terrorists.

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Bomber blows self up before getting chance to enter Israel

A Palestinian suicide bomber blew himself up Monday
morning in a West Bank village close to the Sharon
region when he saw Israeli security officials
searching for him.

An Israel Defense Forces
soldier was lightly hurt in
the blast.

The teenaged bomber had tried
to enter Jerusalem on Sunday
from the direction of the
West Bank city of Nablus, but
spent the night in Ramallah
after observing the high

level of security in the area.

The Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, an armed offshoot
of Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser
Arafat’s Fatah movement, claimed responsibility
for the failed attack, naming the bomber as
Sabih Abu Saud, 16, from the West Bank city of
Nablus.

The bomber’s father, Kamal Abu Saud, slammed the
militants for sending someone so young to his
death. “He was just a little boy and those who
sent him should have left him alone,” he said.

“But he [Sabih] was not a member of any of the
[militant] groups,” the father said, adding
that he strictly supervised the activity of his
11 children.

Saud said he contacted the Palestinian security
forces and reported his son missing, but by
then he had apparently already left Nablus.

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Sure its sick.
it should have been done by someone older, may be a trained army solider from the millions muslim soliders, busy in protecting thier "nations".

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..or people who just like to talk big..I wonder why they are sitting around posting on forums or having rallies..

they can talk the talk..
as long as someone else is doign the walking the walk bit..

hand one of these cheerleaders a bomb and they will pee their pants, so why do they act as cheerleaders for sorthing they know they will nto have the balls to do.

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Re: Suicide Bomber (16 yrs old) fails to reach destination

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Originally posted by underthedome: *
**Sick, sending a 16 year old boy to commit murder....*
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That is sick.

Also sick to occupy someone else's land, uproot their livelihoods, build fences around and into their backyards, close down their childrens' schools for months at a stretch, force their fathers to walk for hours to pass through "security" checkpoints to obtain work permits. Also sick to force families to live like refugees on their own soil, also sick to usurp the most arable land for yourself, also sick to give an hour's notice before bulldozing someone's lifelong home infront of their eyes.

Everyone's cue to please hurl all apologist-for-terrorism epithets at me now.

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Re: Re: Suicide Bomber (16 yrs old) fails to reach destination

You probably wouldn’t get as many “apologist-for-terrorism epithets” hurled your way if just once you would condemn the terrorist’s ways without following that up with a big “BUT” that sounds an awful lot like an apologist. Here, for instance, you could have just said: “I agree. That’s sick.” Then, you could have posted the remainder of your thoughts in the hundreds of other open threads devoted to the sickness of what the Israelis do.

BTW :flower2:

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Re: Re: Re: Suicide Bomber (16 yrs old) fails to reach destination

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oh… Thanks for not hurling any epithets at me. The above sounds fair enough and agreeable to me, i think.

Thanks for the flower :flower1:

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Suicide Bomber (16 yrs old) fails to reach destination

I’ll even try to do the same in some of your threads. :eek:

You’re welcome. :blush:

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Re: Re: Re: Suicide Bomber (16 yrs old) fails to reach destination

^ To MV,

And when have you condemned the Israeli actions?

BTW, being a human bomb whether you are 16 or a girl or a 40 year old man, is still sickening. I would like to see this stop. But, I am not a Palestinian living in an occupied land where I have no hope. Where my home is blown up so some immigrant Jew can build a shiny new house financed by US government grants. And, I can go on ...

Yes, suicide bombings are sickening, but I can understand why a Palestinian would do it.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Suicide Bomber (16 yrs old) fails to reach destination

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*Originally posted by xguru: *
^ To MV,

And when have you condemned the Israeli actions?
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You are relatively new to GS while I've been around a little longer. If you do a little searching on posts of a lot of us Americans who came to GS shortly after September 11, 2001, you will find lots of condemnation of Israel. A lot of us would prefer seeing the $11,000 per second that we have spent in the Middle East for the last 50 years diverted from supporting the Israel military to development of an economy and life for the Palestinian people. Some of us even bet considerable resources from our businesses to try to help make this happen when hopes were high in the region before the current Intifada. We lost bigtime. And so did the Palestinian and Israeli people.

The problem with so many on GS is that they simply cannot fathom how someone can be both pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian at the same time. Too bad. You can also be pro-Palestininian and anti-terror, anti-Hamas, and anti-Islamic Jihad. These terror groups have done more to undermine the cause of the Palestinian people than any Israeli Prime Minister could ever do.

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*Originally posted by xguru: *
BTW, being a human bomb whether you are 16 or a girl or a 40 year old man, is still sickening. I would like to see this stop. But, I am not a Palestinian living in an occupied land where I have no hope. Where my home is blown up so some immigrant Jew can build a shiny new house financed by US government grants. And, I can go on ...

Yes, suicide bombings are sickening, but I can understand why a Palestinian would do it.
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Whether you choose to believe it or not, the Palestinians have not always lived without hope. The situation on the ground was considerably different before the present Intifada began. Manger Square was not always littered with Israeli tanks and smeared with Palestinian blood. I stilll treasure the pictures I have of eating, laughing and sharing stories with smiling, friendly Palestinians in PA controlled Bethlehem. Very, very sad that some of them are likely dead today. The Palestinian leadership rolled the dice and came up snake eyes (Sharon) and a lot of hopes and aspirations were destroyed. It will take at least ten (10) years to even get back to where the Palestinians were just before the turn of the century.

That's not to say the Palestinians had it made back then or that everything was just a bed of roses. It was not. But at least things were moving in a positive direction and some days were happy ones.

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^ MV,

Ok, I will search for the posts you mention.

Now, I am a pro-Palestinian (not Arafat and Co.) and anti-terror (whatever that means), anit-Hamas (their stupid military wing), etc. But, I cannot be pro-Israel.

To me, Israel is a country created by the west by force. Did a majority of the people living in Palestine in the 1930's or 1940's demand an Israel? Who were the Jews in Palestine at that time and where did they come from? Could any sizeable number of them prove that their grandfathers were born in Palestine? Fact is, Israel was a gift to the European Jews for the suffering caused by Europeans to them and also a way of getting rid of them from Europe. The west through their technological power nortured and protected Israel at the cost of the local people. To me that was the original sin in this whole scenario. When the Europeans had had a enough, enter the USA.

Answer me this question, will any US president ever have the moral clarity to ever force a Palestine and tell Israel to back-off? Will he be re-elected if such president did the above? Think about it. If your answer is no, then you cannot be pro-Israel and pro-Palestine.

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*Originally posted by xguru: *
Answer me this question, will any US president ever have the moral clarity to ever force a Palestine and tell Israel to back-off? Will he be re-elected if such president did the above? Think about it. If your answer is no, then you cannot be pro-Israel and pro-Palestine.
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The answer to your question is that "it depends." You state that you cannot be pro-Israel. You go on to give your opinion which is essentially that the creation of Israel was wrong. It is very diificult for people who maintain the position that the creation of Israel was wrong to then accept the legitimacy of the continuation of Israel. Typically, those with that opinion necessarily fall into the ideology of Hamas that no political solution can occur wherein the continued existence of Israel is agreed upon.

So long as there is a strong unconstrained Palestinian voice of the opinion that Palestine stretches from "the river to the sea" and that any and all means of achieving that are acceptable, you will not find an American President forcing that Palestine or directing Israel to back off. When and if the predominant voice of the Palestinian people becomes pro-Israel (in the sense of recognizing the legitimacy and existence of an Israel sitting side by side with a Palestine), you will find an American President putting the thumb screws to Israel to make that Palestine happen.

Americans will never support anything less than an Israel and a Palestine. So long as our perception is that the Palestinians refuse to accept this and make good faith efforts to see that happen, Israel will be our fair maiden. Don't forget, the entire world (except the Arab states) established the framework for an Israel and a Palestine in 1947. It was not Israel that rejected this. It was the arabs and they ultimately betrayed the Palestinian people. And Arab and Palestinian intransigence over 56 years has merely led to the shrinkage of the area originally contemplated for Palestine and the expansion of the area originally set aside for Israel. The reality now is that the Palestinians will never even get what they could have had 56 years ago.

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Not that I agree with suicide missions..but I would like to see the leaders of the groups go for suicide missions..if they so believe in them rather than brainwashing kids into doing this. Its easy to make such choices when your own butt is not on the line..

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*Originally posted by myvoice: *
The answer to your question is that "it depends." You state that you cannot be pro-Israel.
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I can accept an Israel but I cannot be pro-Israel (big difference). Israel can exist as long as their is a viable Palestinian state with Jerusalem divided equally. A Palestinian state should have defined boundaries with its own army to protect it. Palestinians should be allowed to return to either Israel or Palestine. If all this exists, I have no problem with Israel. Tell me, is anything above unfair to anyone?

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You go on to give your opinion which is essentially that the creation of Israel was wrong. It is very diificult for people who maintain the position that the creation of Israel was wrong to then accept the legitimacy of the continuation of Israel. Typically, those with that opinion necessarily fall into the ideology of Hamas that no political solution can occur wherein the continued existence of Israel is agreed upon.
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Not true. Believing the creation of Israel was wrong does not make you a Hamas ideologist. That may be what Hamas claims, but I can bet you the entire Arab world and most of the Muslim world believe that Israel was forced onto that part of the world. The local population never went to the U.N. or League of Nations or Britain and demanded an Israel. It was the European Jews living in Europe that demanded such a thing.

I despise the Hamas militant side. I think their military operations are a joke. If they would kill Israeli soldiers and attack military targets, then that is a legitimate response to the Israeli invasion of Palestine.

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So long as there is a strong unconstrained Palestinian voice of the opinion that Palestine stretches from "the river to the sea" and that any and all means of achieving that are acceptable, you will not find an American President forcing that Palestine or directing Israel to back off.
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Many Israeli's believe and want (Sharon and Co.) an Israel stretching from the sea to the river and beyond. Hence the settlement buildings which are heavily supported by the government (Guess where that money comes from). That hasn't stopped an American president from supporting Israel. I guess acceptance and sacrifice only applies to the Palestinians. The Israeli's can do whatever they want.

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When and if the predominant voice of the Palestinian people becomes pro-Israel (in the sense of recognizing the legitimacy and existence of an Israel sitting side by side with a Palestine), you will find an American President putting the thumb screws to Israel to make that Palestine happen.
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Lets see, first their country was given away to the zionists. They were forced into refugee camps. They are now being told that the one's outside the West Bank and Gaza can never return. They are surrounded by an army and cannot do anything. And you want them to accept Israel. Tell me, if you were a Palestinian, will you accept Israel and become pro-Israel?

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Americans will never support anything less than an Israel and a Palestine. So long as our perception is that the Palestinians refuse to accept this and make good faith efforts to see that happen, Israel will be our fair maiden.
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The American perception was the same before the suicide bombings and is the same now. Really what you are saying is that you want the Palestinians to exist like the American Indians.

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Don't forget, the entire world (except the Arab states) established the framework for an Israel and a Palestine in 1947. It was not Israel that rejected this. It was the arabs and they ultimately betrayed the Palestinian people. And Arab and Palestinian intransigence over 56 years has merely led to the shrinkage of the area originally contemplated for Palestine and the expansion of the area originally set aside for Israel. The reality now is that the Palestinians will never even get what they could have had 56 years ago.
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How many Muslim countries signed and accepted the creation of Israel? How did the Arabs betray the Palestinians? They fought many wars for it. Granted they lost each and every one of them, but how could they win when the super-power was behind Israel. Do you think Israel would have just accepted its original borders? Israels first PM used Hamas like tactics to get many Palestinians to flee from their lands. Read their speeches. They always wanted an Israel consisting of Palestine and Jordan combined.