Re: Boko Haram Leader Claims God Commands Him To Sell Women
my statements do cause heartburn for some 
What works best for x2 induced heartburn?
Or maybe a few guppans might be able to answer that? You studley, you!
Re: Boko Haram Leader Claims God Commands Him To Sell Women
if by ‘some people’ you are referring to me, then I would request that you treat me with respect as I treat you an addressing me directly, even when we disagree. if you can’t do that then I see no point in trying to discuss anything and like others I can either resort to one upmanship type posts, or better yet not bother engaging. Your call amigo.
I see our disconnect now…I see the essence of your posts, that a number of scholars have condemned the girls kidnapping. I know that. I was referring to major condemnation of this..and other such groups, by media and established religious leaders…by name of the organization. Boko Haram, LeT, Sipah e sahaba.
the GS thread about the Nigerian boys murders got one whopping reply. How can we accuse anyone of ignoring the boys murders and embracing the girls kidnap, when we did the same…as you said
… do we all have a bias, where we all responded with a collective yawn…I dont know.
The only thing widespread condemnation does is that it starts stripping away the cloak of acceptability or looking away by ordinary people. It is not going to do jack for psychos already brainwashed.
But you are right, condemnation means jack, so it should be action…Nigeria, and if not Nigeria, OIC, and if not OIC then anyone else…just destroy this scum. right?
dont they? Shoudlnt Nigerians just destroy this group. It has been operating for years.
and if Nigerians can’t or will not, should they be punished by OIC…sanctions perhaps.
forget about loudmouths on 24 cable channels, sit back think calmly and ask yourself…could more have been done…thats it.
I dont care who else has to say what and what their agendas are, I am only looking at it from a rational manner and asking, could more have been done..
just like I look at the fasad in pakistan…not just the current crop but the sipah e sahaba, Let, Tej etc in the 90s and could we have done more as a society, a nation. Not buying into anyone else’s rhetoric, or agendas..real, assumed, alleged..whatever.
My only other issue is when people (not you..saw many on Facebook) are saying dont do 'right ’ this time by saving the girls, because you did not do ‘right’ last time…we can have that debate but for god’s sake dont oppose any real pressure and efforts to save some innocent girls.
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usually…education.
okay, enough side track, lets get back to the topic 
LOL education.
If only your education gave you perspective. But I guess thats not what people akin to you take from education.
Yes yes get back to your topic. The intelligent discourse was interrupted. My mistake.
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I guess you are akin to me then
thats depressing… 
but yeah I got booze and babes, what did you get?
no worries, apologies accepted, you are new here, 75 posts with this nick… beginners mistakes.
Re: Boko Haram Leader Claims God Commands Him To Sell Women
where are blasphemy fatwas when we need them?
Well it seems like I can ask you to show me the ropes if I ever need help.
I havent finished my education yet so I will tell you what I got when I do.
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anytime dude, joking aside, always good to see bright people with real opinions here, and whether or not we agree is irrelevant, key is being able to hopefully learn a little bit from one another during our interactions.
we have not spoken before, so welcome to GS.
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Ghost, of course you’re right.. it shouldn’t be taken more seriously than the murder of the boys.. that should have been much more widely reported on as well..
This story about the girls wasn’t taken so seriously when it was first reported weeks ago either.. a few prominent people spoke up then it gained more momentum and snow-balled..
Here is the latest on the story by the way: Boko Haram rebels parade ‘liberated’ Nigerian girls in propaganda video | World news | The Guardian
Re: Boko Haram Leader Claims God Commands Him To Sell Women
A women cannot marry without permission of wali(gaurdian), right?
I guess, Theorist would be against this ruling. So could you please justify this for her?
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^Bit off-topic but Hanafi women technically can..
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The R&D duo have earned a place in the MEME hall of fame, I am sure.
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yes, i know that.
The school of thought he follows, as i know does not allow women to marry without permission of gaurdian. Anyway, let khoji confirm this.
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Re: Boko Haram Leader Claims God Commands Him To Sell Women
Oho! I did not include you in those ‘some people’. I was telling you that there are some people who have this negative attitude to associate every event like this with Islam and Muslims. Gave an example of post 30 to make my point clear. I even made clear what the essence of all my posts was. It is directed towards those who generalize or stereotype.
Now, as general comment:
I do not tell people what to post or whether to engage in discussion with me. I leave that choice upon the poster. All I have is my right how to take posts either seriously or be entertained as I do most often.
Not sure how many would consider Let or Sipah e sahaba as established religious leaders. I am not even aware of what they said, agreed with these criminals or not… nor I muself care nor majority Muslims do. But don’t you think we have to have their agreement to these crimes on record before we can even speculate?
I was reading one article where someone asked Al-azhar should unite with others and denounce these acts.
Muslim world
And then this comes up on searching Al-Azhar and their denouncement.
This mindset of assuming silence being equal to agreement seems very attractive but in reality it is flawed.
If we start taking this to be true then we should also talk about a lot of unfortunate events and atrocities in the world occurred during last century or so. Millions of people died before an action was taken. And a large portion of the world was ‘silent’ until it was too late. Does not mean all those who did not say anything or had menas to say something somehow agreed with those horrible events.
Like me, others shown the condemnation is widespread, however.
Absolutely! Condemnation means nothing by itself, I will add.
Now coming to action:
Yes, action has to be taken.
But by who? If we think Muslim countries by any means are capable to do it then it will not be right.
It is Nigerians who have the first and foremost responsibility as you mention them first.
And Nigerian officials have not only condemn this but have been struggling themselves how to handle the situation.
They have placed bounty on these people.
It is not possible to take risk in jeopardizing the lives of people further,… by acting without making efforts by other means. Like negotiation first.
You might want to read this:
It says hundreds of people were killed under custody of Nigerian Govt. when they were suspected of related to Boko Haram group. And Amnesty International wants to investigate these deaths.
There is the dilemma. On one hand there is demand of doing action and there is a charge of unnecessary killing.
Nigerians then have to be very careful one might expect. Anything they do will be scrutinized.
I do not see anywhere when someone opposed the rhetoric but a very good question was asked why not talk about the boys?
The thread you talked about earlier was posted in WA. Sorry to say it is a slow forum in general. I read it only seldom. Plus it was started by someone who has a tract record of starting these kind of threads in PA, WA and AV. I know a weak argument but still true.
Anyhow, people who did not post even after reading do not necessarily agreed with these criminals posing to be Muslims.
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Do these events reflect on Islam? No. Islam doesn’t condone this stuff.
Do they reflect on muslims? Debateable, but probably not, can’t make such sweeping statements.
But the need to just NOT CARE about this kind of stuff, and shrug it off like it’s not your problem DOES REFLECT poorly on your imaan.
I thought there was something in our religion about that if we see/hear something evil, we should speak out against it if we can.
So if we’re gonna have the attitude of “it’s not my problem”, “this guy doesn’t represent me and my beliefs, so I can just stay quiet”, “why is no one crying about the boys, ok, fine, so i’m not gonna stick up for the girls”, all this is counterproductive really.
anytime dude, joking aside, always good to see bright people with real opinions here, and whether or not we agree is irrelevant, key is being able to hopefully learn a little bit from one another during our interactions.
we have not spoken before, so welcome to GS.
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Thank you for the warm welcome x2. Sincerely. Your words are much appreciated.
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villagers are looking for boko, they have killed few of his men.
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Is anyone moderating this thread?