Re: Blasphemy law
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If Muslims didn't treat hadith as scripture or divine you may have a point. But tradition, history, culture, unchanged interpretation and a fixation with everything Muhammed (may have) said or did doesn't make Islam much different the religions that supposedly don't have preserved scripture.
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Semi, in the earlier part of thread i asked you certain questions but you refrained, probably i mentioned then you do some gas talk, but USR is been kind to that your talk is fluide and you know it yourself where your standing, you seem not explain regarind political, social stuff which you proudly wrote of well its expected nothing new from you.
Great you have just agreed with the hadith, being part of culture agreed but not mentioned about the Quran, **well supposedly **Quran is a only preserved scripture which challenges the complete mankind, inclusive of Mohammed as he was a human to challenge the Quran, infact only 3 verses of the quran.
And most of them havent met this challenge infact they have tried like crazy over the 1400 years old now this is the other religious scripture which is asking for the whole of human kind to challenge, i have accepted my defeat i cant challenge the Quran but you can challenge it.
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I'm not saying to change scripture or forsake your religion - just acknowledge that parts of it were meant for the Arabs of the 7th century. There is no religious or moral justification for slavery, having sex with women prisoners or killing apostates any more. Period. There never will be again unless the world reverts to chaos, anarchy and a moral cess pool on par with Sodom. Then we will all have a lot more things to worry about than the permissibility of eating lobster.
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Acknowledge fair enough i just acknowledge for your sake, this itself shows how much you have read the Quran and understood. How i like non-muslims who crib around the same point of slavery, capitalism have sex with women prisoners, killing apostates i love you coz you bring this stuff up, with so much elan. With the BS you write i have to give a damn explanation for each, i swear firstly its irritating but i have to do my duty.
**Religious justification for slavery: **Semi boy, you just dont knw the islamic history have you heard of Omar bin Abdul Aziz fifth khalifa of islam, if you havent during his generation slavery was completely swept away. Let me take you through in Quran slavery wasnt supported, but slavery was entrenched in Arabs before the Quran, now think logically if all the slavery had to be abolished all at once.
Where would this slaves work as, completely affecting the economy of the country, screwing it up and these slaves esp the females taking up prostitution due to lack of jobs yes this is morality of the highest order.
Couple of years back in india dance bars were banned, yes this was an act of morality considering the rich culture of india but the women organization came out to support these dancers as they would be left with unemployment.
Dear semi bhai it takes time for slavery to wipe out, its not in a jiffy it takes generation and during the time of Omar bin Abdul Aziz it was cleaned up.
Having sex with women prisoners: Well thanks semi first for asking a question about my religion, did they have sexy and just threw them away no most of them got married as the Prophet did, and did take good care of them.
Common semi its human tendency unlike the american soldiers 'sex mongers' who are raping females in iraq, why is that they want to get into this immoral act simple its innate to have sex.
But in Islam this was damn given a legal ruling unlike 5 americans raping a female and throwing her away in islam it was different. Dam in america its ok to sleep with a mistress, but a muslim gives a legal angle to the one he is married its question great thoughts keep coming with it. Well, for your kind information please go read the fatwas regarding this, no one supports it and scholars, have passed there opinion on the matter.
Killing Apostates: Semi, i have an article regarding this semi but i can waste my time as well as yours please type in google Jamal Badawi + Apostates and read it fine my dear friend. But still you have a problem with it, and you dont find time, but find time in searching anti-islamic sites let me help you.
Lets hypothetically think,
Quran = Legal book of a country
Islam = Country
Muslim = Citizen.
Now i as a citizen (muslim) break the law (quran) of a country(islam), would you kiss me for doing this if infact you can kiss me for doing this, then create one country in your own barbie world i will be a minister to administer you.
Yes for sure i see how much time you have by reading about islam.
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It is my prediction that there will be an upcoming reformation in Islam (just as there was in Christianity 1500 years after its birth) that will take place and these outdated rules will be interpreted as being for a certain place and a certain time.
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Well islam had its own reformation until the 17 century, and until it was colonized, and after the muslims states were freed from colonization the damn rule of imperialism starts and screws up the whole idea of Islamic faith. Sure if this prediction of yours come true you might be the next -------.
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Perhaps Islam was revealed perfectly. You may believe by the perfect prophet. Perhaps the Quran are the unchanged words of God. But it was still just regular people who decided how it was to be practiced.
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Yes it was regular people ofcourse like me and you, and the ones who came to islam were worst then you and me. Dont know but you have just repeated your first paragraph.
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It's been over a 100 years since there has been a successful Islamic civilization - and in that time the world has changed more than it did in the previous 1300 years. So how is not changing the interpretation going to bring back the glory when it is already so buried in the past?
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Big deal same thing can be said about the europeans who were in dark ages for more then 4 centuries, so doesnt matter much the muslims havent done well dont say Islam, get this differentiation. Fine the muslims not Islam, again the Muslims not Islam.
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Most Muslims say that Islam isn't being followed as it should be and that's the reason for the plight of Muslims today. A very serious question I have - what is going change if it isn't re-interpretation and acknowledgment that culture and tradition have bogged down the practice of Islam in modern society. And that some practices were meant for previous societies
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USR is explained this point clearly in the last post, probably you missed it out. I can explain it but damn its more then half an hour.
Regards,