Re: Blasphemy law
Since nothing in democracy has a divine origin, there is no problem in changing it either through mass concensus. Muslims amend and change their policies and procedures all the time that are not of divine origin. Freedom of speech does not exist in the west, this is a misconception. If someone gets up and incites people against the state his freedom of speech will be curtailed and he will be deported. The same is the case with an Islamic state. There is no such thing as freedom of speech, every thing has limits whether defined by God or people. When people who are bound by a common belief hear someone preaching against it, it is the same as inciting people against it. When you say thought is cherished, please specify what sort of thought are we refering to here?
Of course there are limits to free speech in any society whether it's a democracy or some imaginary Islamic state. There should be. But I don't think I need to explain the freedom of thought in the west vs. the kinds of limits one would find in a hypothetical Islamic state, do I? By the way, some believe democracy and its principles have more of a divine origin than Islam claims. The divinity of Islam is limited to its believers and many believe the rights afforded by democracy are God given rights.
And as far as "Muslims amend and change their policies and procedures all the time that are not of divine origin" - I am unaware of - especially since I don't think there is consensus of what is of divine origin.
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Heheh! trying to use my argument against me. What I had said was when people rebel against the ideals and try to damage the state is when it is better to look at your options. Peacefully preaching or trying to propagate a change is not wrong provided the state gives the permission for it. I do not see what ideals are in conflict except for a few maybe, if you call them ideals at all.
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You really don't see the conflict between wahabism, ht, salifsm and western principles? They are *totally *in conflict in all the areas I mentioned before. There is no way western societies will or should change to the type of societies they desire.
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When you are disagreeing with the fundamentals of Islam then you really ain't a muslim are you. You are not dangerous unless you are indulging in activities that will incite rebellion against the state. If you wish to live peacefully and respectfully then there is no problem and Islam has no issues with it either.
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But you said that those who don't agree with the way an Islamic state is run or the principles it represents should leave that state. That it is treason. I contend if that is the case then those preaching for radical wahabi-like changes in the west should leave as well.
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It was successful as long as it was practiced. Who is advocating fundamental changes to these societies? I live in USA, I am not saying Islam should be religion of the state, it would be absurd for me to say that because this is a pre-dominantly Christian country.
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If you are not advocating or preaching for these kinds of changes, then we are on the same page. If you are not inciting and radicalizing the local population, then no problem. I was specifically referring to those elements.