Wow,
I take a break for a couple of days to wallpaper my survival bunker, (in a nice spicy coral color), and the smilie brigade shows up? enjoy the moment, I am on holiday.
Hiccup join the fun. The more the merrier. After it is Christmas and i have decided to give up my evil ways, now i only shoot people with my desert eagle.
Ohioguy, you redecorated? Wow....what does it look like? You fung shui it?
Sahar typical female. We have peace at last and you come in to stir up the argument and trouble again :p Women will be fine here. We try to solve problems, they cause them. We have to take the fight to the root cause :p
Me and myvoice will always be at odds, ever since he wore the same color combination as me to a World Affairs thread. He will not be forgiven for that. I agree and disagree with your comments. They were given equal rights and equal oppurtunity as myvoice describes it. They arent discriminated against in such a large scale and they arent forcefully kept at the bottom of the heap. The US has made many great strides in giving the blacks what they rightly deserve.
However i agree that even today they are struggling. This may be because they dont have the same oppurtunities as white americans. But Affirmative Action in my opinion is a good start. Yes they are ghettos and squalors. But the Blacks do live in prominent areas and they are many that live very comfortably. However the situation of the majority is pathetic. However i believe that to be effected by economics rather than racism.
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Hiccup join the fun. The more the merrier. After it is Christmas and i have decided to give up my evil ways, now i only shoot people with my desert eagle.
Ohioguy, you redecorated? Wow....what does it look like? You fung shui it?
Sahar typical female. We have peace at last and you come in to stir up the argument and trouble again :p Women will be fine here. We try to solve problems, they cause them. We have to take the fight to the root cause :p
Me and myvoice will always be at odds, ever since he wore the same color combination as me to a World Affairs thread. He will not be forgiven for that. I agree and disagree with your comments. They were given equal rights and equal oppurtunity as myvoice describes it. They arent discriminated against in such a large scale and they arent forcefully kept at the bottom of the heap. The US has made many great strides in giving the blacks what they rightly deserve.
However i agree that even today they are struggling. This may be because they dont have the same oppurtunities as white americans. But Affirmative Action in my opinion is a good start. Yes they are ghettos and squalors. But the Blacks do live in prominent areas and they are many that live very comfortably. However the situation of the majority is pathetic. However i believe that to be effected by economics rather than racism.
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CM -- Glad to do my part.
Yes, the US has come a long way, and there are many blacks in the Upper classes of society and living comfortably. That doesn't mean that racism has been irradicated. Although I agree that Affirmative Action is a start to levelling the playing field, it still doesn't do enough -- consider that many of the universities take middle-upper class blacks to fulfill quotas rather than giving the opportunities to those blacks who have really been working at a disadvantage.
I guess you can say the issue is down to economics -- but that's pretty optimistic of you. I think those economic lines are drawn because of race and there's very little desire on the part of our representatives to improve the situations of those living in "squalor."
Humans are by nature selfish. Thus we do things for our own benefit and not for the benefit of others. There are some who are above this petty emotion, but they are rare and far between. So you can expect people to go out of their way to help blacks.
Plus i am a firm believer in teaching people skills instead of spoon feeding them. Let the people bring themselves to the top, instead of having everything handed to them on a silver platter.
AA has helped give bright blacks a good chance with education. That is the key to their future as well as ours. Drugs and inner city gang violence as it was referred to in the 1980s is not the future. But some say they have no choice because they have no oppurtunities else where.
Take the example of the jews. Always targetted and persecuted. They didnt make excuses, they bettered themselves and now are effectively the most powerful racial/religious group in the world. The blacks can follow a similar method instead of blaming the white man. Or "The Man" as they refer to the concept.
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Humans are by nature selfish. Thus we do things for our own benefit and not for the benefit of others. There are some who are above this petty emotion, but they are rare and far between. So you can expect people to go out of their way to help blacks.
Plus i am a firm believer in teaching people skills instead of spoon feeding them. Let the people bring themselves to the top, instead of having everything handed to them on a silver platter.
AA has helped give bright blacks a good chance with education. That is the key to their future as well as ours. Drugs and inner city gang violence as it was referred to in the 1980s is not the future. But some say they have no choice because they have no oppurtunities else where.
Take the example of the jews. Always targetted and persecuted. They didnt make excuses, they bettered themselves and now are effectively the most powerful racial/religious group in the world. The blacks can follow a similar method instead of blaming the white man. Or "The Man" as they refer to the concept.
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Whoa. It's not about blame, CM. It's about not being given opportunities. I've seen students struggle and learn and come a really long way. But because the inner city public schools have 3 times as many students in one class, because they don't have the resources that other schools do, there's only so far they can go. They might be smarter, they might have worked harder than the average Harvard kid. But they aren't going to be given the same amount of respect.
Educationally maybe not. However they would have my respect for leading a tougher and difficult life. They are more capable of handling situations and problems than a Harvard graduate as they have had to over come a great many problems.
Yet they have to make it on there own like all other people. There are discrepencies, however that is merely the economic allocation of resources. The schools with more students should get more funding, however that is the job of the local administration, city/state etc.
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Educationally maybe not. However they would have my respect for leading a tougher and difficult life. They are more capable of handling situations and problems than a Harvard graduate as they have had to over come a great many problems.
Yet they have to make it on there own like all other people. There are discrepencies, however that is merely the economic allocation of resources. The schools with more students should get more funding, however that is the job of the local administration, city/state etc.
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Yes, but you can't dismiss the schools if you're talking about equality of opportunity. They are the only chance for it. And they are segregated due to regional segregation.
Sahar 
You made it here. :k:
um i just wanted to say that i agree with Sahar. i lived in California for more than a year. The proportion of educational funding that goes into different areas and different schools, is really an eye-opener. To some extent, CM is right - we can’t always keep blaming “the white man” for all the evils; simultaneously, if you don’t give at least an equal amount of funding into these inner-city schools (the majority of which have a black student population), funds for scholarships, extra-curricular activities, then how on earth does anyone expect the next generation of African Americans to make it ? At least when i lived there, dunno how it is now, but when i lived there - you could see the difference in funding allocations with your own eyes. Their libraries held a pitiful collection of books, they had basically no funds for any extra activities at the end of school (like music, band, baseball teams, etc), very little money for scholarships, teachers were struggling with too many students in the classroom - very little funds were available for helping the ‘weaker’ students who were weak in reading, etc. As long as there’s this inequality in funding, then there will be a poverty and skills gap.
Yes! I did. But it looks like we’ve scared away the guys 
Anyway, I don’t think it’s just Cali. I observed the same when I worked in schools in Philly and Massachusetts.
Can’t have equal opportunity in life without equal opportunity in education.
Scared away the guys? My wish has come true at last!
>>Can’t have equal opportunity in life without equal opportunity in education.<<
That sums it all up right there :k:
Yeah right ladies. More like they got family and i am stuck in bloody switzerland all on my lonesome. Atleast i got Ayesha (thats my computer, yeah i need help).
The funding is the key. However who allocates the funding? Is it local administration or the federal government? This also brings up the economic aspect i mentioned earlier. The "inequality" of blacks in todays america is attributed to the economic decision the governments. Where as i agree with the fact that education should be improved to provide equal oppurtunities, you really cant say that the US is discriminating against Blacks in this regard.
I thought i replied to the post after Sahar02. Weird.
hehe.. cutest thread in the WA ever. let me add :Pretty: to this thread as well to feminize it a bit more.
I am cute? 
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Three smart girls in one World Affairs thread! hallelujah. Am i dreaming? If so, no one wake me up. i say we plan to take over this Forum through a revolution 
In your dreams. I am still here. Like hell women are gonna invade my backyard.......this so needs to be in cafe now......
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Yeah right ladies. More like they got family and i am stuck in bloody switzerland all on my lonesome. Atleast i got Ayesha (thats my computer, yeah i need help).
The funding is the key. However who allocates the funding? Is it local administration or the federal government? This also brings up the economic aspect i mentioned earlier. The "inequality" of blacks in todays america is attributed to the economic decision the governments. Where as i agree with the fact that education should be improved to provide equal oppurtunities, you really cant say that the US is discriminating against Blacks in this regard.
I thought i replied to the post after Sahar02. Weird.
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Yes -- it's economic. But what is the root fo the economic desparity?
The root cause is decisions by the people in charge at the school as well as the local administration. Decisions that are not motivated by racial prejudice.
I am with you CM… we can’t let them hijack WA :kaboom:
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The root cause is decisions by the people in charge at the school as well as the local administration. Decisions that are not motivated by racial prejudice.
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Perhaps I'm more cynical than you. Even if those decisions are no longer based in racial prejudice, I think they were originally, and it is these initial decisions that caused the disparity.