Re: BJP, RSS behind Samjhauta blasts: Indian minister
blaming pakistan for Indias problem is common theme among indian politicians in times of crises. It is bit ridiculous when you see the amount of problems Pakistan has on its own corruption, poverty etcyou really think they got the time to start causing problems in other nations?
Re: BJP, RSS behind Samjhauta blasts: Indian minister
certainly funny to see Pakistanis accuse someone else of terrorism, proof etc etc! too bad your government doesn't think so. What do they know!
Re: BJP, RSS behind Samjhauta blasts: Indian minister
Indians have dug a huge grave for themselves....they will realize that as time progresses....remember this statement has come from a serving home minister, hence equivalent to a publicly stated Indian government stand. you will see Pakistani government using this statement mercilessly on every international forum for a very long time against India...whatever was the motivation of shinde, it is a huge blow to india....
in retrospect, there are some pros as well...it will put pressure on BJP to stop sponsoring hatred in collaboration with RSS...so may be a blessing for minorities....indian public shd open up and see this danger...dont live in self-denail
i am also worried that pakistani based terrorist groups may use this statement to do terrorism in india and then blame BJP and RSS........
also worried that Pakistani society and government will further plunge into pool of denial.... from hereon, they will never ever accept any terrorism in India an act of Pakistani based terrorist groups and will blame RSS and BJP...very bad sign for pakistani society which is already destroyed by self-denial...
there is only one winner in this situation...Pakistani based terrorist groups
shinde jee yae aap nay kaya kar diya....but salute to your honesty, no matter what your intentions were!
why would this be a huge blow? total denial at all times is already status quo.
"hindu terror" is an interesting case study. pakistanis just cannot comprehend or relate to the fact that there is no societal or governmental impulse to defend or support such hindu terrorists. they are not the agents of powerful puppeteers in RAW or the military who will ensure they are untouched. indian agencies moved quickly to investigate this ragtag team of hindu terrorists and arrested them promptly - no brushing it under the rug or cover-up effort. the state has been transparent and very vocal about it.
trying to draw parallels to pakistani terrorists and the jihadi-military complex is just plain silly. they are not comparable at all. sorry to disappoint.
Re: BJP, RSS behind Samjhauta blasts: Indian minister
why would this be a huge blow? total denial at all times is already status quo.
"hindu terror" is an interesting case study. pakistanis just cannot comprehend or relate to the fact that there is no societal or governmental impulse to defend or support such hindu terrorists. they are not the agents of powerful puppeteers in RAW or the military who will ensure they are untouched. indian agencies moved quickly to investigate this ragtag team of hindu terrorists and arrested them promptly - no brushing it under the rug or cover-up effort. the state has been transparent and very vocal about it.
trying to draw parallels to pakistani terrorists and the jihadi-military complex is just plain silly. they are not comparable at all. sorry to disappoint.
Well, except when the BJP is in power, some of who's party members are linked or have been linked to Hindu militants... No?
Now to say there is no "societal" support for Hindu extremists is a bit of stretch. I dont think you can honestly say you KNOW for certain whether the majority of Hindus in India support them or not. And if they do, to what degree they are wiling to support them. Unless you can provide us with evidence to support such a claim. First tell us what you mean by "support" exactly, and then demonstrate to what extent that support does or does not exist, otherwise, it would seem like your soft spot for al things hindu, is hindering your objectivity.
And your conclusion that Pakistanis cannot "comprehend" or "relate" to the "fact" sounds bigoted. The assumption you make are as ignorant as your assumption about most Hindus in India. The impulse to "support" extremists on either side I think is not black or white. While most people on both sides i believe would condemn hardcore extremism, many would still qualify every statement with a "but". For example, Indians will giving passive support to the knocking down of the babri Mosque if on principle only, terrible what they did, BUT the mosque was on a Hindu site, or they might add qualifier to their condemnation of the murder of Sikhs in 84 or Muslims in 02, such as "but the shouldn't have done such and such otherwise they would have been ok etc..." Pakistanis do something similar with Mumbai citing Indian Human rights violations.
And as for the situation regarding govt. Pakistan seems to have grown out of this phase of using "proxies" for its own ends, a sin that many other countries have committed and will undoubtably commit in the future. The problem is not one of compulsion to support violent extremists for the sake of supporting extremists. Its an issue of politics. The extremists groups, while unsavory, provide political leverage and are useful tools during election time. Make of it what you will, but extremists groups have political clout in Pakistan;and extremist groups having political leverage is not something unheard of in India mind you.
I agree with your Jihadi military complex is not being comparable line. But to say that Pakistanis have more sympathies for extremism then Indian is a bit of an overstatement. To conclude that Pakistanis cannot comprehend NOT supporting extremists is ridiculous. if anything, the opposite should be true. Pakistanis have felt the fallout of extremism far more acutely then Indians. If anything, it should be the other way around. Indeed, if anything, the nationalism bred among Indians, by 20 years of solid growth should at the very least have engendered a stronger sense of self -righteousness not less.
Re: BJP, RSS behind Samjhauta blasts: Indian minister
I dont think its the number of terrorist groups so much as their impact on the society. These groups are a irrelevant to the larger society in india, where as in Pakistan, the few extremists groups that exist have a far deeper impact on the society which resonates not only in the country but across multiple borders.
Re: BJP, RSS behind Samjhauta blasts: Indian minister
Indians have dug a huge grave for themselves....they will realize that as time progresses....remember this statement has come from a serving home minister, hence equivalent to a publicly stated Indian government stand. you will see Pakistani government using this statement mercilessly on every international forum for a very long time against India...whatever was the motivation of shinde, it is a huge blow to india....
in retrospect, there are some pros as well...it will put pressure on BJP to stop sponsoring hatred in collaboration with RSS...so may be a blessing for minorities....indian public shd open up and see this danger...dont live in self-denail
i am also worried that pakistani based terrorist groups may use this statement to do terrorism in india and then blame BJP and RSS........
also worried that Pakistani society and government will further plunge into pool of denial.... from hereon, they will never ever accept any terrorism in India an act of Pakistani based terrorist groups and will blame RSS and BJP...very bad sign for pakistani society which is already destroyed by self-denial...
there is only one winner in this situation...Pakistani based terrorist groups
shinde jee yae aap nay kaya kar diya....but salute to your honesty, no matter what your intentions were!
Just like the big blow Pakistan received when LeT and other organizations were banned officially and India took advantage saying all the time "look its Pakistan, not us"
Why be so disappointed to see the news of these Hindu terrorists coming in to the light and support for India. ;)
why would this be a huge blow? total denial at all times is already status quo.
"hindu terror" is an interesting case study. pakistanis just cannot comprehend or relate to the fact that there is no societal or governmental impulse to defend or support such hindu terrorists. they are not the agents of powerful puppeteers in RAW or the military who will ensure they are untouched. indian agencies moved quickly to investigate this ragtag team of hindu terrorists and arrested them promptly - no brushing it under the rug or cover-up effort. the state has been transparent and very vocal about it.
trying to draw parallels to pakistani terrorists and the jihadi-military complex is just plain silly. they are not comparable at all. sorry to disappoint.
So India should think the same way when some organizations were banned in Pakistan? Right?
There was no brushing under the rug there. Yet ISI was still continued to be blamed but you think somehow RAW should be acquitted from its support for these terrorists.
Double standard as I see your post.
Terrorists are terrorists.
Do you think Hindu Terrorist are better and nicer?
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Not quite, perhaps a google search is in order to get a better picture of the reds and their activities/impact in India… The biggest difference is that unlike Pakis Indians are not in the habbit of dancing in the open.
Couple more examples, such as, Even the death of 10,000 a day due to starvation is a non issue where as in Paki land hell breaks lose. Their latest feather in the hat is “womens rights” they just beat Saudia Arabia hands down and the list of such attributes is endless - the less said the better… As someone said don’t compare Pak with India they live on a different planet.
Here is a an area where Shri Reds rule the roost
National Security: Global peace demands Balkanization of India …
Re: BJP, RSS behind Samjhauta blasts: Indian minister
Just like the big blow Pakistan received when LeT and other organizations were banned officially and India took advantage saying all the time "look its Pakistan, not us"
Why be so disappointed to see the news of these Hindu terrorists coming in to the light and support for India. ;)
So India should think the same way when some organizations were banned in Pakistan? Right?
There was no brushing under the rug there. Yet ISI was still continued to be blamed but you think somehow RAW should be acquitted from its support for these terrorists.
Double standard as I see your post.
Terrorists are terrorists.
Do you think Hindu Terrorist are better and nicer?
When will you Pakis learn that there are no hindu terrorist... geeezzz.... Its all ISI wallas disgused in one... The sooner you learn the better.
Re: BJP, RSS behind Samjhauta blasts: Indian minister
When will you Pakis learn that there are no hindu terrorist... geeezzz.... Its all ISI wallas disgused in one... The sooner you learn the better.
:D
Re: BJP, RSS behind Samjhauta blasts: Indian minister
So India should think the same way when some organizations were banned in Pakistan? Right?
if you actually believe that LeT is banned in pakistan then i suggest terminating this discussion immediately.
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There was no brushing under the rug there. Yet ISI was still continued to be blamed but you think somehow RAW should be acquitted from its support for these terrorists.
Double standard as I see your post.
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i don't know what you're trying to say. the ISI's direct patronage of terrorist groups such as LeT is common knowledge. are you proposing a theory about RAW being responsible for forming and patronizing hindu terrorist outfits to conduct domestic terror operations within india? if so, again i suggest terminating this dialogue.
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Terrorists are terrorists.
Do you think Hindu Terrorist are better and nicer?
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i think all terrorists are bad. but your eagerness to equate the two is puzzling. so far "hindu terror" group means one unsophisticated team of 5 people plotting domestic attacks who were vigorously pursued by the Anti-Terrorism Squad and arrested. you are trying to compare this to the massive infrastructure of militarized jihadi organizations (employing thousands of terrorists) created and supported by the pakistani state for decades. sorry but this is not a comparison any sane person would make.
anyways, the point is that the indian state's approach to hindu terrorists is exactly the same as muslim terrorists. this is something i don't expect you to understand.
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if you actually believe that LeT is banned in pakistan then i suggest terminating this discussion immediately.
i don't know what you're trying to say. the ISI's direct patronage of terrorist groups such as LeT is common knowledge. are you proposing a theory about RAW being responsible for forming and patronizing hindu terrorist outfits to conduct domestic terror operations within india? if so, again i suggest terminating this dialogue.
i think all terrorists are bad. but your eagerness to equate the two is puzzling. so far "hindu terror" group means** one unsophisticated team of 5 people **plotting domestic attacks who were vigorously pursued by the Anti-Terrorism Squad and arrested. you are trying to compare this to the massive infrastructure of militarized jihadi organizations (employing thousands of terrorists) created and supported by the pakistani state for decades. sorry but this is not a comparison any sane person would make.
anyways, the point is that the indian state's approach to hindu terrorists is exactly the same as muslim terrorists. this is something i don't expect you to understand.
So why was RSS un-banned even when it was banned in 1948 after Gandhi Assassination? And total three times banned (even after the event of Babri Masjid demolition) and unbanned despite it is well known extremist organization other than Shev Sena, BJP and VHP.
*If you think there were or are only 5 Hindu terrorists which were caught, then I suggest you quit discussing further. *
Ever hear of tip of an iceberg?
If you think RAW has never been and not still involved in trying to destabilizing Pakistan, Terrorizing Kashmiris, Sikhs or does not have sympathy for Hindu extremists then I suppose you quit talking now!
Even the well loved, famous and so called artists from Bollywood including Lata and Amitabh etc. had shown open sympathy for Bal Thackeray and you deny any sympathy from RAW for terrorists? :D
*Bal Thackeray Loved Hitler and these 'artists' and so many Hindus loved Bal Thackeray. * What does this tell you? ;)
Please try to fool someone else showing RAW being masoom and naik Baccha.
The amount of denial you show is simply hilarious!
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So why was RSS un-banned even when it was banned in 1948 after Gandhi Assassination? And total three times banned (even after the event of Babri Masjid demolition) and unbanned despite it is well known extremist organization other than Shev Sena, BJP and VHP.
*If you think there were or are only 5 Hindu terrorists which were caught, then I suggest you quit discussing further. *
Ever hear of tip of an iceberg?
If you think RAW has never been and not still involved in trying to destabilizing Pakistan, Terrorizing Kashmiris, Sikhs or does not have sympathy for Hindu extremists then I suppose you quit talking now!
Even the well loved, famous and so called artists from Bollywood including Lata and Amitabh etc. had shown open sympathy for Bal Thackeray and you deny any sympathy from RAW for terrorists? :D
*Bal Thackeray Loved Hitler and these 'artists' and so many Hindus loved Bal Thackeray. * What does this tell you? ;)
Please try to fool someone else showing RAW being masoom and naik Baccha.
The amount of denial you show is simply hilarious!
you have lost sight of the topic and your comments can only be characterized as incoherent babble. the simple fact is that "hindu terrorists" are relatively inconsequential and are treated as criminals by the indian state. secondly, RAW does not create and patronize saffron terrorist outfits. if you have any credible argument against these statements please provide them without straying wildly off topic.
your comments about bal thackeray and RAW destabilizing pakistan can be discussed in relevant threads. neither comment has anything to do with this discussion and the points that i made.
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My comments are in par with your bold statement where you suggested only 5 Hindu terrorists. 
It seems you got ‘surprised’ by the number of Hindu terrorists organizations and their supporters. 
I suggest you spend time in searching RAW history for your enlightenment and quit denying its involvement in many crimes.
Link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Am7O5Sf4OnY#!
Hint: Kakre Assassination, Sikhs mass murder, etc. Enough for now if you think it is off topic. Later!
Re: BJP, RSS behind Samjhauta blasts: Indian minister
I guess you confirmed it.. Its official folks, RAW is a terrorist organization after all.
Re: BJP, RSS behind Samjhauta blasts: Indian minister
This statement proves that Congrss party is damn serious about elections of 2014 and subsequent positioning of heir apparent Rahul Gandhi for PM post :)
Since congress feels that they are less likely to get elected without muslim polarization towards their party. Hence the statement.
People here, who are aware of internal politics of India should listen to Digvijay Singh too :D
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