Uninteresting? Speak for your self. Other than the fact that Berg was a jew with an Israeli passport stamp...... Yes, I guess, that we would want his tread to sink to the wastelands of Gupshup threads as soon as possible, so that we can continue to believe that the video was simply a zionist propaganda maneuver.
Until the next one.....
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Uninteresting? Speak for your self. Other than the fact that Berg was a jew with an Israeli passport stamp
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: hehe : hey man, don't shoot the messanger. look at your own media. see how much coverage the berg murder received in the last 3-5 days and compare it to prison-abuse and the statements attributed to politicians on that issue. you will get your answer.
Forget what the americans are saying there heads are totally brainwashed they still think there military dont abuse people or commit wedding massacres!
We know they will use anything to discredit muslims including making blatant lies and propoganda.
Its intresting OG you gone quiet on the wedding masscre and now focusing on berg video and not even answering why he was in US custody and what happened next hmmmmmmmmm!
Of course, it couldn't have been Muslim terrorists because Islamic law doesn't permit beheading.
A couple interesting clips from the article starting off this thread are as follows:
** "However, the taking of hostages has occurred in the region, and beheadings are not unheard of.
According to a February 2003 report by Human Rights Watch (HRW), on September 23, 2001, radical Islamists captured a group of 25 Kurdish fighters in the Iraqi village of Kheli Hama. "Some prisoners' throats had been slit, while others had been beheaded," HRW reported, noting that the television station KurdSat had broadcast pictures of the dead that September 26. The report also noted that a videotape "apparently filmed" by those committing the atrocities had been found. " **
And this:
** " Conversely, it is reported that in Saudi Arabia, where Sharia law allows for beheadings in cases of severe crimes, the condemned is heavily drugged with tranquilizers prior to the execution, reportedly leaving them in a state similar to that which Berg appeared in during parts of the video. " **
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Of course, it couldn't have been Muslim terrorists because Islamic law doesn't permit beheading.
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you are needlessly getting defensive. no one said that beheading is not permitted in islam. what we are discussing are apparent inconsistencies in the video depicting mr berg's beheading. got anything on that topic, bring it forward. or may be you are a firm believer in videos don't lie ????
anyone saying that it could not have been terrorists is fooling themselves. It def could have been and most likely is.
However the questions raised here are rather interesting, ranging from clothes, to chair, to wall to a person's hat, missed minutes, language, head-dress styles etc.
so there are many things that are unanswered..it would be good to find out what teh answers are though. maybe we send CSI over :D
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anyone saying that it could not have been terrorists is fooling themselves. It def could have been and most likely is.
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Is that the American terrorists! yes you are correct
I never cease to be amazed by the contortions of logic some guppies will go thru just to exonerate muslim terrorists from even the most heinous crimes. None so blind as those who do not want to see.
The general consensus seems to be that it was an awful crime, but the video has some inconsistencies and begs the question of who actually did it.
Propaganda played from both sides is always going to lead nowhere.
The guy is dead, probably and he apparently died horribly, who did it and why, remains debatable, that's why we are.
Arvind it could be said from your statement that you are in fact exonerating too.
People who are capable of systematic government sanctioned torture, rape and murder in occupied territories are capable of anything.
Sounds like the old Mark Twain comment: “Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated.”
Another conspiracy theory shot to h*ll.
** Qaeda Figure Zarqawi Says He’s in Iraq for ‘Holy War’ **
DUBAI (Reuters) - A statement purportedly from al Qaeda-linked militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi says he is in Iraq, waging “holy war” against U.S.-led occupation forces to establish a Muslim state.
“I am in Iraq now waging holy war with my brothers to establish a nation for Islam and a state for the Koran,” said the Arabic-language statement claiming to be from Zarqawi and recently posted on Islamic Web sites.
Zarqawi and his group, Jama’at al-Tawhid and Jihad, have claimed a series of suicide bombs and attacks in Iraq on U.S. troops and on Iraqi officials in recent months.
Washington accuses Zarqawi of being the leading operative of Osama bin Laden’s al Qaeda network in Iraq. It says Zarqawi, who has a U.S. bounty of $10 million on his head, beheaded American Nicholas Berg in Iraq this month.
The Jordanian-born Islamic militant said he had earlier been in Afghanistan which he described as “the land of hopes where we are establishing the faith of God.”
An earlier statement said to be from Zarqawi, which was included in a video of Berg’s beheading, called on Muslims to take up the sword of Islam in Iraq against America.
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5261349
purportedly: Assumed to be such; supposed.
I guess an alternative to it being him is that the US is making up statements for Zarqawi which call for waging holy war against the US in Iraq and getting Islamic web sites to publish them.
And the purpose of that strategy is what .... let me see ..... hmmm.... uh ....... well ........ to bring more foreign terrorists to Iraq to ..... uh ..... well ..... er ..... hmmm .....
conspiracy theory
n.
Suspicions seeking to explain a disputed case or matter as a plot by a secret group or alliance rather than an individual or isolated act that have been ubiquitous in the Middle East and Central/South Asia for centuries.
diversion di·ver·sion: A manoeuver that draws the attention of an opponent (or the public) away from a planned point of action, especially as part of military strategy.
In a nutshell:
'To entertain by distracting the attention from worrisome thoughts.'
Synonyms: aberration, alteration, deflection, departure, detour, deviation, digression, divergence, red herring, stutter step, turning, variation.
Do we have any sustainable facts here? What we have is 5 hooded figures one of whom is sawing off a head from a body which seems to have been drained of blood. Thus my theory is that the leading figure isn't Zarqawi but another member of the undead family, Count Dracula.
Berg Beheading? - No Way Say Medical Experts
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/05/289031.shtml
Ritt Goldstein (posted by G)
"…according to what both a leading surgical authority and a noted forensic death expert separately told Asia Times Online, the video depicting the decapitation appears to have been staged. "
“I certainly would need to be convinced it [the decapitation video] was authentic,” Dr John Simpson, executive director for surgical affairs at the Royal Australasian College of Surgeons, said from New Zealand. Echoing Dr Simpson’s criticism, when this journalist asked forensic death expert Jon Nordby, PhD and fellow of the American Board of Medicolegal Death Investigators, whether he believed the Berg decapitation video had been “staged”, Nordby replied: “Yes, I think that’s the best explanation of it.”
"“The way that they pulled him over, they could have used a dummy at that point,” reflected Simpson regarding what the video portrayed. "
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FE22Ak03.html
See also:
homepage: http://stopimperialism.be
Ritt Goldstein has an agenda against the US and cannot be trusted as an unbiased source. You should look into his past history and wild allegations.
Blood or no blood, there was a beheading. I'm not sure if there was blood or not. I was too horrified watching these thugs struggle to hack through the vertebrae to pay much attention to how much blood was gushing.
Does it make things better if they actually killed the guy before cutting off his head on camera? Does that make them more human in your eyes?
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This is really wierd the way you try to question this incident. Blood or no blood, there was a beheading.
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Well, it will probably make a little difference if you are convinced that there was no beheading and what you saw on the grainy video was merely camera trick by using a dummy doll, and a bunch of masked men, who could be any five people from the planet Earth. I am not saying its one way or the other, because there is no definitive proof either way. Its just speculation. The guy (Berg) definitely lost his life, just as atleast 34 admitted deaths in prisons being investigated by Pentagon right now. Its just the beheading part that's giving you a lot of heart-ache, I suppose.
^ Well. The guy not only lost his life, he also lost his head. They did, after all, find his headless corpse (not sure if they also found his head).
Having seen the video, the last word I would use to describe it is "grainy." People like to use that word to make other people think it was hard to see what was happening. It wasn't. If it was made by Steven Spielberg, maybe I'd question for a moment whether it was just the use of special effects to give the illusion that it was a real person.
The only relevance of the supposed lack of blood is whether the beheading took place after Berg's death or was the cause of his death. In my mind, that fact does not in any way make the act more or less palatable.