Behayaa Women Demand Rights to receive beatings for being Behayaa

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Do you believe Edhi?

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\07\18\story_18-7-2007_pg7_35

Government concealed no Lal Masjid casualties: Cheema

ISLAMABAD: Interior Ministry Spokesman Javed (r) Iqbal Cheema on Tuesday said the government has been very transparent about the number of casualties of the Lal Masjid operation.
“The government all along has been very transparent and we have hidden no fact from the media and the public,” he said at a weekly press briefing. He said that those who have claims to the contrary should provide their own evidence of the number of deaths.
Cheema said the government is taking great strides and making every possible effort to facilitate the parents and relatives of Lal Masjid students.
The spokesman said that over 600 people had been entertained at the facilitation cell at sports complex till date, and had submitted 80 applications regarding their dear ones.
He said out of the 80, 64 applications have been referred for DNA tests and five people were referred to the hospital as their relatives were under treatment there, while one has been identified dead by National Database Registration Authority (NADRA) record. “47 claimants have gone through the DNA tests, so far,” he added.
Cheema, while giving a final summary regarding the madrassa students said that 472 males had been released. He said 139 males are at Adiala Jail on judicial remand, 22 are in hospitals on judicial remand, two are on physical remand and 26 males are awaiting relatives at sports complex.
He said a total of 465 females had been reunited with their families while three, including Umm-e-Hassaan and her two daughters are on physical remand.
The spokesman said that as many as 198 were injured in the operation against Lal Masjid, of whom 32 were still in hospitals, including 22 on judicial remand, while the rest have been discharged.
As regards foreigners, Cheema reiterated that there are certain photographs, which are believed to be of foreigners, and they are still unclaimed. He said their pictures would be released to media and displayed at sports complex.
Khubaib Foundation Chairman Nadeem Khan and a representative of the Edhi Foundation were also present on the occasion. They confirmed that the bodies of Lal Masjid people were buried separately.
The Edhi representative said that the government didn’t ask Edhi to prepare 1,000 coffins for madrassa students. Referring to suicide attacks on security forces over the weekend, and the suicide attack on a check post in Mir Ali, Cheema said the government was doing all it could to prevent such terrorist activities.
“We expect the entire nation to extend its full cooperation to the law enforcement agencies in dealing with the threat.” He condemned the suicide attacks and said they were another evidence of the “heinous intentions” of anti-state forces trying to create unrest in society. app

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\07\17\story_17-7-2007_pg1_9

Lal Masjid enrolment registers will help clear ambiguity about number of students

By Sharif Khan

ISLAMABAD: Investigators probing links between Lal Masjid and terrorists have discovered enrolment registers detailing the male and female students who studied at the mosque’s madrassas, information that they believe will help clear up uncertainty about the number of people killed or missing in the operation to clear the mosque of militants.

“The lists of the registered students match the number of students evacuated or captured from the mosque and Jamia Hafsa. The lists are in the writing of the Jamia Hafsa administrative staff and these will quash rumours regarding the number of students missing, dead or alive in the entire operation,” said a government source on condition of anonymity. These lists would also be issued to the media and the parents of the students, he added.

The source said intelligence agencies were “shocked” at the highly sophisticated and modern weapons, including bullet-proof and explosion-proof blankets, that the militants in the Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa compound had, some of it even better than the gear given to Pakistani commandos.

“Bullet- and explosion-proof blankets are the latest combat gear, and even the Pakistan Army has not been equipped with this protective gear. The agencies are now investigating where these militants got such sophisticated equipment,” said the source.

Similarly, the militants had smoke grenades, fire grenades and splinter grenades, and “dum-dum” bullets, which explode after penetrating the body of the target, causing maximum internal damage. “Smoke grenades and fire grenades are not provided to the Pakistan Army as these are very exceptional,” said the source. He said 29 of the commandos injured in the operation got their injuries from splinter grenades. The source also said there was one “accidental” suicide bombing during the operation which killed six students. “When the commandos tried to enter a room where half a dozen militants were present, one of the militants detonated his suicide jacket killing everyone present in the room.”

Azaz Syed adds: Security agencies in Islamabad are interrogating 12 aides of the Lal Masjid clerics at Adiala Jail about the sources of funding for the mosque and the clerics’ friends and acquaintances. Arrested on July 10 and July 11 from Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa, the 12 men have also been implicated in the kidnapping of four policemen and seven Chinese nationals during the mosque’s moral policing drive.

The arrested men are Abdul Qayum, 23, Safeer Ahmad, Muhammad Amaan, Bashir Ahmad, Fidaullah, Nawabzada, Inamullah, Maqsud Akbar, Nazakat Ali, Asif Khan Shah, Muhammad Saeed and Shah Wali. Sources told Daily Times the men have also been questioned about 11 ‘foreign’ militants that were killed in ‘Operation Silence’. The government had earlier claimed that 14 foreign militants were killed, but Pakistani families identified three of them.

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Edhi said he wasnt asked to prepare coffins, how can edhi tell how many casualties there were? Article talk about the number of injured and returned. i am talking about the number of dead bodies.

Lets play words game, correct this words:
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^ u either believe the rumours or you dont. rumours are that edhi was asked to prepare X number of coffins which proves there were a lot more deaths, or that multiple bodies were put in one grave.

Last person to answer this post wins!!!!
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i am actually not aware of that rumour. i am more interested in finding out what is the number of casaulties released by officials? i have already admitted my source of information were news paper.

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around a 110 (which is still a pretty big number). no really credible way of proving the number is 10 times more than that, seems like extremely irresponsible speculation. perhaps twice the number at most, IMO upper bounding it based on the number of parents looking for their kids.

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too much taleban bashing these days or what? :D

quoting myself for your blind eyes...(blind because you choose to look away without giving thought)

[quote]
The cruelty being performed by some afghans under the taliban regime was termed as a representation of their treatment of women. A derivation that can be questioned from so many facets if one was to examine the regime.
However, going with the same premise that a spot sampling can be statistically considered credible,...
[/quote]

Taleban have already been tried and convicted without a legal trial by those who have power in the world today. The same have committed them without question to being inhuman and extremist. So there is no point in trying to convince ppl without evidence or overwhelming proof that negates this belief.

However we do have a lot of visible evidence being documented and presented by national and international bodies against our current military regime. So we should use the same "reasoning" against them as well.

BTW ....How come we moved from spinning darwesh to the evil darth vader?
I fail to see the similarity...

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I talked to my family in Rawalpindi today and they told me only those women who came out from the mosque before the operation were saved but there were around 1000 people including women and children in the mosque who were killed by the army and their dead bodies were brought to the hospital, also government is claiming that they saved those women and children but they never showed this happening on television, why?

Most of these women and children were orphans from Azad Kashmir, who came to lal masjid for aman after the earth quake.
Now people who are denying this fact(killings of more than 1000 people of lal masjid by army) are either very simple and naive and they cannot believe that their army can ever do this much zulm(may be they have forgotten the killings and rapes of women in East Bangladesh in 1971 by our brave soldiers)or they're just denying the fact bcoz they have to.

PS: my family in Pakistan is "moderate" (unlike me) and most of them have worked for the army and some are still working.

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aside all the gupshup here..i wanna beat the hell out of that asshole guy who is beating women like beating animals :mad: I am pretty sure this is not photoshop altered picture like some individuals try to make excuses.

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^And then beating animals like that is not even allowed in our beautiful religion. So the person engaged in that act needed a swift kick in the right place by an influential person to make the idea stick.
Afsos....its an old picture and that afhgan might already be dead by now facing his deeds in the grave...

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These bahayaa words should be edited out. If what this person is claiming is what he believes, then, I fear that he’s targetting majority of our women perhaps including his family (which he does not intend to but ignorantly does - neither anyone of us should!), many female posters here as well as particularly those who are still wearing hijab in the above mentioned picture.

I am surprised to see that no female poster is actually offended by these moronic remarks. While he does make a point by saying all this and perhaps all valid but he is crossing the line while doing so. Agree as much as you can with him but be just as well.

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Sarcasm Abba Jan, Sarcasm.

If you ready my post in its entirety, you should realize that I do not believe that the character of a woman can be judged from the number of square inches of skin she leaves uncovered. But certain people in Afghanistan did, who are now an inspiration to Jehadi/misguided-Shariat movement in Pakistan.

The two sets of picture, while having no direct connection, were meant to be a caricature, a commentary on the irony that the very women protesting for Lal Masjid (which is a good thing, peaceful protests are the right way to get your opinions heard) would be considered 'Behayaa' by the Lal Masjid school of thought.

The opposite of Burqa clas Ninjas is not prostitutes, and most of the people in Pakistan understand that. But unfortunately, when we objected to Lal Masjid tactics on this very forum, I and some like minded people were constantly called supporters of prostitution and nudity. Do you see my point?

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Speaking on behayaai and nudity blah blah, what to make of the antics of sammy sandwich? :5:

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Hareem, our army and police is very capable of doing this, but there is no point in speculation until there is some proof. As they say innocent till proven guilty.

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Sir Dig thanks for ‘enlightening’ me

This is pure jihaalat…some mullahs (read brain-washed retards) beating veiled women on their legs for showing their ankles. There’s absolutely no example of this kind of cruelty during Prophet’s pbuh time or the Caliphs that followed him. It’s not only repulsive but laughable. This is what we certainly don’t want to see in Pakistan. This is what many people in the West and even many muslims fear when some self-righteous mullahs (who are not educated in the modern sense) talk about imposing sharia, i.e. the mere thought of giving these people the licence to abuse human rights in the name of Sharia. Ofcourse we all want to abide my Islamic law as best we can but we most certainly don’t want to see this sort of nonsense in Pakistan or else-where. Besides we all want to enjoy life and lead a meaningful existence in this world too (as opposed to these mullahs who are just averse to any kind of enjoyment or entertainment in this world). Their Islamic vision (90% of mullahs anyway) is just incompatible with modern way of life.

What next? hang a boy and girl for chatting to each other in public. Such people give Islam a bad name. Most of their traditional and conservative beliefs has little to do with the actual teachings of Islam.

Hijaab for instance is an Islamic concept but burqa or veil isn’t. These things are cultural. I esp. hate the shuttlecocks which barely show your eyes. Islam does n’t say that you have to look like jokers (Hazrat Ayesha :razi: led the army in Jang e Jumal, Hazrat Khateeja :razi:was a successful businesswoman etc.) It’s not what you wear but how you wear it that’s important. You can wear anything jeans, sari, shalwar, skirt in Islam.