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very very true..
ask him a question regarding biology, math, physics, politics ; He is there to answer you..and will satisfy you. But unfortunately He died in 2002. May Allah shower His blessings upon Him. You can get Q/A session of Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad from any Ahmadiyya Muslim Mosque.
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Yes, it does make sense. Sure it can be.
But it was described as “Dajjal’s” 'sawaari" and not “issaiyies” sawaari. So why does he not mention who Dajjal is and mentions “issaiyies”? This is like spreading the hate which is bad.
Okay, I did not know who he is but whoever. Where is the one-eyed Dajjal? He’s supposed to be dead by now if Mirza (who claimed to be Jesus) is the real Jesus. So, is Dajjal dead already or is he still there? If he is still here or is yet to come then Mirza is not the real Jesus for sure.
Anything to say on that?
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^^ Valid point
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**The Correct Interpretation According to Ahmadi Muslims **
Although the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community does not in any way reject the prophecies concerning the descent of the Messiah and the appearance of the Mahdi, it does emphasise that to put a literal meaning on them is the height of naivette and ignorance. We believe that it is as a result of not grasping fully the exalted station of the Holy Prophet that such a serious error is made in understanding his deep and philosophical message. Men of insight and wisdom often use parables and allegories to outline subjects of such great import but the superficial eye cannot perceive their meaning.
The Ahmadi Muslims believe that the whole range of subjects covering the Messiah, the Antichrist and his ass is allegorical. The Messiah, therefore, is not that earlier prophet who was sent among the Isrealites. The Ahmadis believe that Jesus Christ died a natural death after surviving the torture of the Cross. The Messiah of the prophecy was in fact to be a new person who was to be born amongst the followers of the Holy Prophet Muhammad. Because of some characteristics and qualities he was to share with Jesus, he would be given the title of “Messiah, Son of Mary” in much the same way as a great dramatist is called Shakespeare. The reference to the Cross, too. is a simile. The Messiah will not literally go around wrecking crosses: he will defeat the Christian faith with strong reasoning and powerful arguments.
The destruction of the Cross, therefore, stands for the ideological rout of Christianity. Similarly, the word ‘swine’ is not to be taken in the literal sense. It connotes the cultural filth of the western world which turns men into beastly beings. The word swine stands for the so called sexual anarchy sweeping across America and Europe. It stands for the disgusting debauchery whichclaims even innocent children as its victims. The Traditions most assuredly did not convey that the Messiah would hunt down herds of wild boar or domesticated pigs. This would be a strange image of a prophet of God. It would rather remind one of Ajax, a hero from Greek mythology, who cut to pieces herds of cattle and flocks of sheep in the mad belief that they were the Greek army’s chieftains!
**The Antichrist, too, like the Messiah, the Cross and the Swine is symbolic. He symbolises a great and powerful nation which rules not only the earth but also space. The Cross and the Swine are in fact symbols pertaining to this nation. The Traditions say that the Antichrist’s right eye will be sightless but his left eye will be large and bright. This is a symbolic description of the fact that though this nation would be devoid of spiritual light yet its material insight and therefore material attainments, would be great. **
Lastly, the Ahmadi Muslims consider the Antichrist’s ass to be a symbol too- a symbol that was used to describe the means of transportation of the days to come. All the features describing this ass are without exception identifiable with the fuel-powered vehicles invented by the West. Consider the salient features of the ass-as described in the traditions-it will eat fire, it will travel over land, over sea and above the air; its speed will be so great that it will cover a journey of months within the space of a few hours; the passengers will travel not on its back but in its belly which would be lit up; it will announce its departure and ask passengers to take their seats. The fulfillment of these things with such wondrous exactness is a glorious testimony of the truth of the Holy Prophet Muhammad, peace be on him.
According to Ahmadi Muslims, the prophecies relating to the advent of the Imam Mahdi are also symbolic. The wealth he will distribute amongst Muslims is the wealth of spiritual knowledge and wisdom, and not worldly wealth. The refusal of some to accept it further indicates what kind of wealth it was to be; for man is never satiated with material wealth: it is only the spiritual treasures that he spurns.
Thus Ahmadiyyat rejects the philosophy of Islamic renaissance as explained above and propagated by the other sects of Islam. It holds that this philosophy is at variance with the real intent of the Ouranic teachings, at variance with the history of the prophets and most of all at variance with the demonstrated actions of the Holy Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. Ahmadiyyat shuns this ideological opiate which lulls nations into inaction and leads them into the world of make-bel ieve and fantasy.
(Taken from “Revival of Religion” by Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad, may Allah be pleased with him)
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this has to be the most dillusion comment ever. Kinda shows the intelligence level of ghushup members.
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Well, to be honest, the “sawaari” description sure sounds real but to believe that the fight would be spiritual does not make sense. If we are interpreting one thing as per present status of the world/people then we must interpret everything as per the new times. In today’s world we cannot have such a fast moving gadha. Definitely, it is plane. But in today’s world, it is only killing and bloodshed everywhere. Everywhere you see, it is just killing. Dajjal has to be killed by messiah. It is not all theoritical. All this bloodshed in today’s world are not just theories. This is happening. It is real. So, Dajjal will appear, for sure. He will come and messiah will take care of him. Mahdi and messiah cannot be the same person. There cant be too many twists in the predicitons made by prophet. My mind does not accept Ahmadi interpretation of dajjal and messiah. It is to be much more convincing and stronger.
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mirza per laant ho beyshmar, aur us key manney waloon per bi. kutoo sharm karoo bedeen insano.
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^ which religion do you belong to, if at all?
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what an ignorance, what a stupidity and what a jahaalat … addressing others as ‘kutto’. Kindly stop acting like a 9-10 year old kid.. ( only if you are not between that age)
So… Islam teaches you that eh… Sending laanats on people who believe there is no worthy of worship except Allah, people who believe that there will not be any prophet after Muhammad PBUH, people who believe in Quran , People who believe in the day of judgement. People who believe everything that a regular Muslims believe.. the only difference between sunni ( ANd i wont call you muslim if anyone told u to address others as KUTTO) and Ahmadi muslims are that they hold the belief that amaam mehdi who was suppose to appear on the 19th century has come.
If you are sending laanats to them then laanat on U!.
Listen to this , i know it has nothing to do with this thread but I just feel like you deserve to listen this.. http://www.alislam.org/multimedia/qa/play.php?id=1
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This may help if not let me know..I will try to get an article about that…
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Religion is to do right. It is to love, it is to serve, it is to think, it is to be humble.
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Qaadiyaanism…
… dishonours Allah, the Creator
Where can the human escape from that being in whose hands is every atom. He says: I will come secretly like thieves. (Roohaani Khazaa’in Page 39, Vol. 20)
… claims divinity for Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
I (Mirza) saw in a dream that I am God. I have believed that I am God. (Roohaani Khazaa’in Page 564, Vol. 5)
… teaches that the door of prophethood is open, even after the final Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam
This fact is established like the clear day that the door of prophethood is open after Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam. (Haqeeqatun Nubuwwah Page 228)
… debases the greatest of all Prophets, Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam
Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam and his Sahaabah used to eat cheese made by the Christians, although it was well known that pig’s fat is used in its making. (Al Fadhl, Qaadiyaan, 22nd February, 1924)
… claims that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah
Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful amongst themselves.’ In this divine revelation, I have been named Muhammad and also Rasool. (Roohaani Khazaa’in Page 207, Vol. 18)
One who differentiates between me and the Mustafaa, has neither recognised me nor seen me. (Roohaani Khazaa’in Page 258-259, Vol. 16)
… teaches that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is superior to Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam
Muhammad has descended amongst us once again, and he is more greater in his status than ever before. Whomsoever wants to see Muhammad, O Akmal, should see Ghulam Ahmad in Qaadiyaan. (Badr, Qaadiyaan, 25th October, 1906)
… propagates that Mirza is superior to all the Prophets
And Allah is showing so many signs for me that if they were shown in the time of Nooh, those people would not have drowned. (Roohaani Khazaa’in Page 575, Vol. 22)
Yoosuf of this Ummah, i.e. this humble one, is greater than Israeli Yoosuf. (Roohaani Khazaa’in Page 99, Vol. 21)
Although many Prophets have come in the world, I am no less in knowledge and recognition of Allah than any (of them). (Roohaani Khazaa’in Page 477, Vol. 18)
Leave the mention of Ibne Maryam(‘Eesaa alayhis salaam); Ghulam Ahmad is more better than him. (Roohaani Khazaa’in Page 240, Vol. 18)
… teaches hatred towards ‘Eesaa alayhis salaam, one of the greatest Prophets of Allah
(Jesus) had the habit of uttering obscenities and frequently using foul language. (Roohaani Khazaa’in Page 289, Vol. 11)
It should be remembered that he (Jesus) had also to some extent the habit of lying. (Roohaani Khazaa’in Page 289, Vol. 11)
Jesus could not portray himself as a pious man because people knew that he was a gluttonous alcoholic. (Roohaani Khazaa’in Page 296, Vol. 10)
… believes that Islaam is incomplete without belief in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
The belief of naming the rejectors of Maseeh Maw‘ood (Mirza) as ‘Muslims’ is a filthy belief. One who holds such belief, for him the door of divine mercy is closed. (Kalimatul Fasl Page 125)
… is a vile attack on the Sahaabah (Companions) radhiyallahu anhum
Like Aboo Hurayrah who was dull and did not possess good understanding/knowledge. (Roohaani Khazaa’in Page 127, Vol. 19)
Leave the dispute of the old caliphate; accept the new caliphate. A living Ali is present amongst you; you are leaving him and looking for the dead Ali. (Malfoozaate Ahmadiyyah Page 142, Vol. 2)
What were Aboo Bakr and Umar? They were not even fit to open the shoelaces of Hadhrat Ghulam Ahmad. (Monthly Al Mahdi, January-February, 1915)
Faatimah radhiyallahu anhaa, in a visionary state, placed my head on her thigh and showed me that I am from it. (Roohaani Khazaa’in Page 213, Vol.18)
… believes that the words of Mirza are equal to Qur’aan
Whatever I hear through Allah’s revelation, by Allah, I believe it to be pure from every mistake. My revelation is pure from mistakes like the Qur’aan. This is my faith. By Allah, it is noble word from the mouth of God, the one only. (Roohaani Khazaa’in Page 477, Vol. 18)
… is a deliberate alteration of the text of Qur’aan
This has also been inspired since a long time that ‘Indeed, We have revealed it near Qaadiyaan’. I said to myself: Yes, definitely, the name of Qaadiyaan is written in Qur’aan Shareef. (Roohaani Khazaa’in Page 140, Vol.3)
Names of three cities have been written in Qur’aan with honour - Makkah, Madeenah and Qaadiyaan. (Roohaani Khazaa’in Page 140, Vol. 3)
… is vilification of the status of Makkah Mukarramah and Madeenah Munawwarah
The place of Qaadiyaan is that place which Allah has declared as navel (centre) for the whole world and has declared it the mother for all the worlds. (Al Fadhl, Qaadiyaan,11th December, 1932)
I am telling you truthfully that Allah has said that the soil of Qaadiyaan is blessed. Here descends those blessings that descend at Makkah and Madeenah. (Al Fadhl, 11th December, 1932)
People also go to perform Hajj as a simple and nafl (act). But, in this place (i.e. Qaadiyaan), the reward is more than nafl Hajj. (Roohaani Khazaa’in Page 352, Vol.5)
… declares all non-Qaadiyaanis as non-believers
All Muslims who have not entered allegiance to Maseeh Maw‘ood (Mirza), even though they have not heard the name of Maseeh Maw‘ood, are kaafir and out of the fold of Islaam. (aai’nae Sadaaqat Page 35)
That person who believes in Moosaa but does not believe in ‘Eesaa; or believes in ‘Eesaa, but does not believe in Muhammad; or believes in Muhammad, but does not believe in Maseeh Maw‘ood (Mirza), is not only kaafir but a staunch kaafir and out of the fold of Islaam. (Kalimatul Fasl Page 110)
My opponents have been named Christians, Jews and idolaters. (Roohaani Khazaa’in Page 382, Vol.18)
… defames all Muslims
Every Muslim looks at these books (of Mirza) with an eye of love and benefits from its knowledge and accepts me and verifies my call except children of prostitutes upon whose hearts Allah has put a seal; they do not accept me. (Roohaani Khazaa’in Page 547-548, Vol.5)
Allah has made it clear to me that every person whom my call has reached and has not accepted me, he is not a Muslim. (Tazkirah Page 600)
… regards itself a separate religion
It is a command of Maseeh Maw‘ood (Mirza), and a powerful command, that an Ahmadi should not give his daughter to a non-Ahmadi. To carry out this (order) is also a duty of every Ahmadi. (Barakaate Khilaafat Page 25)
Practice patience and do not perform Salaat behind any person other than our jamaa‘at. (Al Hukm, Qaadiyaan,10th August, 1901)
It is our duty that we do not consider non-Ahmadis Muslims and do not perform Salaat behind them, because according to us they are rejectors of a prophet of Allah. (Anwaare Khilaafat Page 190)
It is not permissible to perform janaazah (Salaat) of non-Ahmadi Muslims; to the extent that it is not permissible (to perform janaazah) of non-Ahmadi child too. (Anwaare Khilaafat Page 193)
Qaadiyaanism is
nothing but, conspiracy
against Islaam, kufr in the guise
of religion and hypocrisy in the
name of Islaam.
taken from Yanabi.com
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WHAT DOES THE HOLY QURAN SAY ABOUT FINALITY OF PROPHETHOOD
The holy Quran and the holy Prophet’s Ahadith (Traditions) eloquently prove that prophethood (‘nubuwwat’ and ‘risalat’) came to an end with our Prophet Muhammadhttp://www.yanabi.com/forum/i/expressions/pbuh.gif There are decisive verses to that effect. Being the last Prophet in the chain of prophethood no one ever shall now succeed him to that status or dignity
“Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah (SWT) is Aware of all things.” (Quran. AI-Ahzab 33:40). INTERPRETATION OF THE HOLY QURAN All the interpreters of the Holy Quran agree on the meaning of ‘Khatam-un-0Nabieen’ that our Prophethttp://www.yanabi.com/forum/i/expressions/pbuh.gif was the last of all the prophets and none shall he exalted to the lofty position of prophethood after him. A. By Imam Hafiz Ibn-e-Khateer
His explanatory remarks on the above verse are as follows: “This verse is conclusive of the precept that our Prophethttp://www.yanabi.com/forum/i/expressions/pbuh.gif is the last prophet and that there shall be no nabi' after him. When there shall be no 'nabi' to follow him the ordainment of a rasool’ cannot arise by logic of anteriority because the status of a rasool' is more exclusive than that of a nabi’. Every rasool' is a nabi’ but every nabi' is not a rasool’. There exists a continuous and unbroken chain of citations of Ahadith from a large number of venerable sahabah' or Companions of the Prophet (Allah be pleased with them), that, there shall be no 'nabi' or rasool’ after Muhammad.” (Tafseer Ibn-e-Khateer, Vol.3)
B. By Imam Qartabi
Imam Qartabi comments on the quoted verse as follows: "Said Iben-e-Atiya that the words (Khatam-un-Nabieen) according to the learned men of the Ummah of the present and the past indicate perfect comprehensiveness and signify, in consonance with the Quranic injunction, that there shall be no Prophet after Muhammadhttp://www.yanabi.com/forum/i/expressions/pbuh.gif
**C. Hujjat ul Islam Imam Ghazali **Hujjat ul Islam, Imam Ghazali explains the said verse in these words: “No doubt the Ummah has unanimously understood from this word (Khatam-un-Nabieen) and its circumstantial reference to mean non-existence of a nabi' or rasool’ ever after Muhammadhttp://www.yanabi.com/forum/i/expressions/pbuh.gif and that (this word calls for) no reservation or tacit interpretation in it; hence its dissident is certainly the one who rejects (ummah’s) unanimity.” (Al Iqtisad fil Etiqad, p.123)
taken from yanabi.com
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Thanks for the info :k:
there is no islam without believing in Muhammed (PBUH) as last massenger from god… mirza was bull st**
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Here is the link to Roohani Khazain that you claim to quote from. Please find for me all the above quotes from these books, or else apologize for lying and misleading people.
You are accusing a person who is revered by many, and in doing so you just made a claim. Please produce the scanned copies of original texts as well, a simple “cut and paste” job from a hate website will not do.
Roohani Khazain
http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/
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i can guarantee you that none of the above is true
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Thanks for the link but unfortunately, this part of the world, they have blocked this website. I cant access it. Is it a vdo or audio?
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its working fine for me… its audio..
working fine..
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^ Hey Frozen. Link may be fine but I live in the middle east. Ahmadi community doesnt seem so popular in this part of the worldso the website has been blocked by the local provider. I'll try this link from another country.
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Yes Islam and Allah teach us to give laanat on egresiously wicked individuals like Mirza…much as He did in the Quran on Abu Lahab…
