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http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/features98/saud2.htm

It was the rapid rise of Abdul Aziz, moving with his tribal hordes from the east, that soon caught the imagination of the wily British. Abdul Aziz grabbed Asir and a number of other provinces before moving on the Hijaz. His opportunity came when Sheriff Husain declared himself the Caliph upon its abolition by Mustafa Kemal. The Muslim world would have none of it from a man who had betrayed Islam and was a known agent of the British.

With the tide turning against him, Husain fled Jeddah for Cyprus. Abdul Aziz’s hordes, meanwhile, made their debut in the Hijaz by sacking Taif in September 1924, in the manner of his forebears a century ago. He massacred most of its male inhabitants, even those who had taken refuge in mosques, many of which were destroyed with the occupants inside. When news of the Taif massacre reached Makkah, there was total chaos. The residents of Makkah fled to Jeddah as Abdul Aziz’s shock troops advanced on the holy city.

Hundreds of pilgrims were slaughtered in the frenzy before Makkah was taken. The sacrilege at Makkah sent a shock-wave throughout the world of Islam. It is forbidden to carry firearms in Makkah. Nor is warfare allowed, much less the slaughter of innocent people.

Abdul Aziz had to act quickly to restore his credibility. He eschewed any plans of occupying the Hijaz, only to ‘rid the Hedjaz and my people of the cruelty of the Sheriff’. The people of Hijaz were neither ‘his people’, nor suffering any great ‘cruelty’ at the hands of the Sheriff. True, they may have had no liking for him but Abdul Aziz hardly meant relief.

He chose a fine way to ‘end the cruelty of the Sheriff’: by massacring hundreds of pilgrims - the guests of Allah, as well as desecrating the sanctity of the Haram. Between 400 to 900 pilgrims, mostly from Aceh-Sumatra, Mindanao, India, Iran and Central Asia, were murdered in complete violation of the commandments in the Qur’an.

Medina was occupied a year later on December 5, 1925. Within a month, he proclaimed himself ‘king of the Hijaz’ as well, in the presence of the imam of Masjid al-Haram. He said that he took this step at the ‘request of the merchants and notables of Jeddah’!

Whether the merchants of Jeddah really made any such request or they even had authority to do so is a moot point. Abdul Aziz had stormed the Hijaz with guns and swords. He desecrated the sanctity of the Haram by shedding blood and killing pilgrims. Even so, he had the gall to announce that he would take into account the wishes of the Muslims regarding the Haramain and the Hijaz.

With Najd and Hijaz both under his control, he turned his attention to the Ikhwan who had by now discovered his treachery. Once they realised that he was a British agent, they wanted to have no truck with him. Backed by British guns and money, Abdul Aziz’s hordes stormed the Ikhwan stronghold of Ghot Ghot. Many Ikhwan leaders were massacred and Ghot Ghot was completely razed. He had betrayed the last of his friends.

In 1932, presumably tired of ‘waiting’ for the Muslims, he declared himself the king of both Najd and Hijaz and named it the ‘kingdom of Saudi Arabia’. This confirmed, yet again, that he was a liar and a brigand. Such men are naturally devoid of any Islamic values and principles. In Islam, there is no concept of kingship.

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The Saud-Sharif War of 1924

In 1924, when Husayn was proclaimed caliph in Mecca, the Ikhwan labelled the act heretical and accused Husayn of obstructing their performance of the pilgrimage to Mecca. They then moved against Transjordan, Iraq, and the Hejaz simultaneously, besieged at-Ta’if outside Mecca, and massacred several hundred of its inhabitants. Mecca fell to the Ikhwan, and, with the subsequent surrenders (1925) of Jiddah and Medina, they won all of the Hejaz for Ibn Sa’ud.


also from the same site

In 1923 the British government invited all the rulers concerned in these sporadic hostilities to attend a conference at Kuwait and if possible to agree on a settlement of their differences. The British also made it clear that the subsidies theretofore paid to Ibn Sa’ud and Sharif Husayn would be terminated.

The conference ended in complete disagreement, and in September 1924 the Wahhabis attacked the Hejaz. They captured At-Ta’if after a brief struggle but with an accompanying massacre of male civilians, and then they occupied Mecca without opposition. Ibn Sa’ud then laid siege to Jiddah and Medina, while Sharif Husayn abdicated his throne in favour of his son 'Ali. By the end of 1925 both Medina and Jiddah had surrendered to the Sa’udis. The 'Aqabah-Ma 'an district adjacent to the northern Hejaz was occupied by Transjordan to prevent its falling into Wahhabi hands. On Jan. 8, 1926, Ibn Sa’ud, who had adopted the title of sultan of Najd in 1921, was proclaimed king of the Hejaz in the Great Mosque of Mecca.

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lol yeah

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Actually, looking back at my posts here on the 1924 war, it's easy for me to be taken out of context. The Sauds used religion to gain power and then afterwards turned on and killed the most religious of their backers, the Ikhwan,

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why do you wanna bar elvis? from what?

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LegbreakGoogly, I have on many occasions removed threads that incite such ill-feelings but I let go this time. Its not that there are no sects or there aren't any divisions within and between the Shia and Sunni groups, though we know that the differences are more of political nature than spiritual. If people want to know about it and discuss it, by all means. However, I would just request everyone to show restraint and respect the other's beliefs.

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1- Please Please Please do not talk in this manner. Its a humble request to you. Come up with a very pleasent argument so that none of us will get angry on your post and instead will reply in a good way. You should not have talked about Ahmad Raza Khan in this way…

2- Let me tell you my brother that your preception that Brelvis are decreasing in number is completly wrong. Instead they are very rapidly increasing MASHA ALLAH SUBHAN WA TA’ALA. Dawat-e-Islami is doing a great work in this regard. If you really have feeling that they are decreasing in number then go ahead and someday attend the weekly Ijtamaa of Dawat-e-Islami, everthing will get clearer to you. Here I give you a proof… Last weekend I did go with a Madni Qaafila of Dawat-e-Islami. Our destination was in Raiwind ( Markaz of Tableeghi Jamaat), Believe me brother, believe me, ppl are not with tableeghi jamaat any more they are getting with dawat-e-islami rapidly… this is about the markaz of tableeghi jamaat and about other places you can well imagine. Its not something that I have heard it from someone but i experienced it myself.

3- First thing is that no Barelvi worships any Sufi or Bazurg, this is your misconception … And about your other problems about Bidhaa Milaad I would ask all of the reader to go through book Jaa’-ul-Haq, that would let you understand all of these issues very easily. http://www.dawateislami.net/services/library/default.asp?bid=124

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Well done, whilst we're engrossed in this Deobandi, Sunni, Barelvi bull**** the world is plotting to destroy us by every means under the sun. Forget these labels and just be plain simple Muslim, read the Qur'aan (more than one trans.) with an open mind and it will will enlighten you to follow the right path and will lead you where to look for more religious knowledge.

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This secetarianism is crazy! Besides, no one here should insult ANY of the scholars, for they know a darn sight more then us.

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ur people number is not increasing..infact mosques tht r under controlled “Ahle bidah”(barelvis) are increasing…HAHAHAH…more even thanks to non but MQM(KARACHI) support who provided u guys fulll support to “captured” mosques and challenge jamat-e-islami
yes barelvis were never in majority nor they r ..their number is decreasing offcourse people r becoming educated;)
reason for tht i hate u barelvis alims and so called “Dawat islami” which is nmot known in pak,tht u have divided us on minor issues…fighting on bidahs..continuing to called deobandis and wahabies non muslims…u idiots even dont allow ur students not to do salam with deobandis and thts my personal expierence…
i wonder y barelvis r just prsent in pak???..even in india ,from ur ahmed raised,i could not find u guys any where when i went to india in jan…

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u r extremely right…take knowledge from quran and sunnah…tht is the proiblem with barelvis tht cannot prove their bidahs right…divided muslims into groups just on issues like “milad”…i read a barelvi alim quite years back..some 1 ask him to prove milad from quran and sunnah and tht idiot started to bash deobandis and wahabies..used slang words…tht is the feature of barelvis..when eva u will hear ther "bayans(lol) they willl try to bring deobandis in and criticize them…
i m one of those who is extremely against sectarian thingy..but some how,their idiotic atitude made me to post thread…

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hey Guy1 you better stop using this word 'idiot' again and again ......

mods wats wrong with you guys, i demand his ban from this forum...

i am controlling myself by not responding to his posts in the way he is writing and this does not mean that i cant respond that way...

please take care of this matter asap

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Guy 1, enough is enough, you are taking undue advantage of our liniency. If you are here just to disparge others and speak ill of other religions/sects, then we won't tolerate that.